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    Posted: 07-Jun-2010 at 22:41

They are still allowing you to post? I guess there all no real standards on this board when Jokes (they blocked my orginal word) like you are allowed to post.

 

I am surprised you have the gravitas to even post on this board anymore after all of the factual errors you make.



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The Tallis are really dumb--They haven't learned anything from Iraq. Quit making the west mad, stop fighting lay low,-- once the west gets bored with you -- they will leave.--Get in with the Government, if the people want you --you can get back in power-- Wait a couple of years.
 
They won't becuase do you know why--The Pakis are fermenting the revolution--The Afghan people over 70% don't want them back. Also becuase they are not that smart (kind of like the Sod)
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Why don't you pay a visit to Kabul some time? The Tal might consider letting you have a bit of a thrill for a while. Let you show off your glorious western gravitas for a bit.

When they get bored with you, they'll make a grab for your itchy bitchy western arse, shove a big, rusty, serrated bayonet at the end of a Kalashnikov into it (maybe all the way up to your throat, cos you've talked too much crap about them), and dump you deep into a huge, dark vat of nicely fermenting jute juice.
 
Knowing your penchant for crawling in the dark between houses of ferment, you might consider that vastly thrilling.Approve


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Originally posted by Shield-of-Dardania

Why don't you pay a visit to Kabul some time? The Tal might consider letting you have a bit of a thrill for a while. Let you show off your glorious western gravitas for a bit.

When they get bored with you, they'll make a grab for your itchy bitchy western arse, shove a big, rusty, serrated bayonet at the end of a Kalashnikov into it (maybe all the way up to your throat, cos you've talked too much crap about them), and dump you deep into a huge, dark vat of nicely fermenting jute juice.
 
Knowing your penchant for crawling in the dark between houses of ferment, you might consider that vastly thrilling.Approve
 
Physical threats to somebody wow you have sank to new lows
 
The Mods should ban you
 
Personally I am ignoring you


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Wasn't a threat, not at all. Was an invitation, on behalf of the Tal.Approve
 
The Mods should ban you too. For endlessly spreading American imperialist propaganda.
 
And you just can't countenance a US-NATO defeat, can you?


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So now you a are a Taliban Really? A regime that kills innocents, won't allow girls to be educated, and destroys nation landmarks like the Bhuddas. Thats the people you support, Really?
 
If NATO loses it will be bad for the people of A-Stan.  My opinion is that the Taliban will take heavy loses (they alreay have) this summer ,begin Peacetalks, join in the new governmnet-Most of the western forces will pull out in a couple of years-- accept for a couple of bases--Just like Iraq.
 
You should mourn the dead US soldiers they died for the Afghan people, for a better life for them.
 
By the way Kabul isn't the big Taliban stronghold Khandhar is.
 
I hope the Mods ban you
 
I am going back to ignoring you. Unless you want to have an academic discussion
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Originally posted by Shield-of-Dardania

Originally posted by Maximus Germanicus

We will see--It all depends on the Summer Offensive-- If it goes well A-Stan will be a victory for NATO--If not then God help us. So far it is looking pretty good- The media is pretty doom and gloom, the truth on the ground is a different story. Just yesterday 128 T-Ban surrenderd you won't see that on the news, but it is the case.
 
The difference between you and me--Is I have been there, so what you so comes from reading baised media reports and anti west blogs. What I know comes from experience.
 
SoD If you think NATO will lose that many troops you are nuts.
I just thought you might wanna have a look at this: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100608/ap_on_re_as/as_afghanistan
 
By ROHAN SULLIVAN, Associated Press Writer Rohan Sullivan, Associated Press Writer – 3 mins ago (June 8, 2010)

KABUL, Afghanistan – Ten foreign soldiers, including seven Americans, were killed in separate attacks on the deadliest day of the year for Western forces in Afghanistan. A U.S. civilian contractor who trains Afghan police also died in a brazen suicide assault.

The bloodshed Monday comes as insurgents step up bombings and other attacks ahead of a major NATO operation in the Taliban stronghold of Kandahar that Washington hopes will turn the tide of the nearly nine-year war.

Half the NATO deaths — five Americans — occurred in a single blast in eastern Afghanistan, U.S. spokesman Col. Wayne Shanks said without giving further details. It was a grim reminder the insurgents can strike throughout the country — not simply in the south, which has become the main focus of the U.S. campaign.

Two other U.S. troops were killed in separate attacks in the south — one in a bombing and the other by small arms fire.

Another one down ... another one down ... another one ... bites the dust. Will he go to Valhalla?
 
Cmon, Yanks. Wise up. There'll only be one ultimate outcome to the war, eventually: NATO-disguised America loses, Tal wins.Approve
 
You're all dead-meat sitting ducks in a foreign land whose entire nation despises you all, fighting a stupid war started by an idiot prez.
 
Please cite your sources.

The poll was commissioned by the BBC, ABC News and ARD of Germany.  The fieldwork was carried out by the Afghan Centre for Socio-Economic and Opinion Research in Kabul.

The Afghan people emerge from these surveys as patient and stoical, but depressed about the short-term future. When asked if things in Afghanistan were heading in the right direction, only 40% agreed – compared with 54% a year ago, and 77% in 2005.

For some, everyday life has improved, with better access to water and electricity supplies. But lack of security remains an over-riding concern for many.

And 50% say that corruption among government officials or the police has increased in the last year. Sixty-three per cent now say corruption is a big issue in their area, compared with 45% 12 months ago.

Hostility to the Taleban remains very strong throughout the country, with only 4% wanting them back, 58% saying the Taleban are the biggest danger to Afghanistan, 90% saying they are opposed to the Taleban and 84% saying that the Taleban are weak or non-existent in their own areas.

Only 8% think the Taleban will win their battle to return to power, and 71% say there should be no negotiations with them unless they stop the fighting.

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First you are disgusting in the way you glorify death--I have seen death, I have seen war--it is ugly. How old are you 16,17. Grow up.
 
Second you claim that the Afghan people want the Taliban back-However the poll shows only 8% do.
 
The Taliban is losing every tactical engagement-Everyone. The are taking alot of loses much more than NATO.
 
However since you have no idea about the military I understand your immaturity when it comes to discussing military things (By the way a serrated Bayonet is a violation of the GC)
 
I’m afraid he [Zakir] could sacrifice a younger generation in one year if he keeps sending more fighters to the front lines,” says the former mayor, who is in his late 40s. The casualty rate is higher than he likes anyway; the insurgents have lost 50 commanders and subcommanders in his home province of Ghazni alone, he says. “This is not a fight over territory but for our existence and survival,” he adds. “By following Zakir’s way we could take very heavy casualties.”
 
About a quarter of the 400 Taliban fighters estimated to be in Marjah when the Afghan-U.S. operation began early Saturday have been killed, officers said. A similar number of Taliban fighters appear to have fled the area, including most of the leaders,
 

In contrast, the Dutch report details weeks of ferocious and chaotic combat in which up to 300 Taliban were killed, for the loss of only one coalition soldier.

The report was compiled to coincide with the presentation to Dutch commando Marco Kroon of his country's highest military award, the Military Order of William, for acts of "bravery, skill and loyalty" in Afghanistan's Oruzgan province. Captain Kroon is the first soldier to receive the award in 54 years.

"In the last one week battle between our forces and the Taliban, two policemen were killed and few others were wounded, but the Taliban suffered heavy casualties," Payman told Quqnoos. "Around forty-five Taliban fighters were killed and dozens of others were wounded."

 
Coalition forces killed a Taliban commander with links to al Qaeda and the training of fighters in Iran during an airstrike in the southwestern Afghan province of Farah.

Mullah Akhtar and an undisclosed number of Taliban fighters were killed during a series of airstrikes and a ground raid yesterday and last night in the district of Gulistan in Farah. The operation took place in "a known insurgent safe haven," the International Security Assistance Force stated in a press release.



Afghan and Coalition special operations forces killed the senior Taliban military commander for Kandahar city after tracking him for weeks.

Mullah Zergay, who led the Taliban in Kandahar City, as well as in the vital districts of Zhari and Arghandab, Taliban strongholds to the west and north of the provincial capital, was killed last week "in a Taliban safe haven area south of Kudeza'i" in the district of Zhari, the International Security Assistance Force reported today. Zergay and an undisclosed number of his bodyguards were killed during a raid designed to capture him. Intelligence assets had been "tracking his location for several weeks" before the raid was executed.


Afghan and Coalition forces have leveled another blow at the Taliban's top leadership in the northern province of Baghlan.

A joint Afghan and Coalition force captured the Taliban's newly appointed shadow governor of Baghlan during a May 31 raid in the Baghlan-i-Jadid district "after intelligence information revealed insurgent activity," the International Security Assistance Force stated in a press release today on its website.


The Pakistani military has called an end to an operation in a Taliban-dominated tribal area in the northwest.

The Pakistani Army announced the cessation of operations in Arakzai as General Ashfaq Parvez Kayani, the Chief of Army Staff (COAS), visited troops in Arakzai and Kurram today, and said Arakzai is now cleared of the Taliban.

"COAS’ visit to Arakzai Agency marks the successful conclusion of operations in the Agency," a press release at the Inter-Services Public Relations website stated today. "Return of IDPs [internally displaced persons] is excepted to start shortly. He appreciated the professional conduct of the operation which has cleared the Agency of terrorists."

The military's declaration of victory in Arakzai took place seven weeks after it claimed the Taliban was "fleeing" Arakzai and was on the verge of defeat.

Since the operation began on March 21, the Pakistani military has claimed that 1,116 Taliban fighters have been killed in Arakzai and that only 25 soldiers have been killed, according to Pakistani press reports.  The military has claimed that 286 Taliban fighters were killed since May 23, when 70 fighters were said to have been killed in a series of airstrikes.


 
7 deaths is awfull, and may God be with the families- But 1853 Insurgents killed (the last few months) and thats just in Press releases (that I found in the last 10 minutes) there have been a lot more. By the way my prayers are with thier families also and I hope they find peace. They need to end the madness.







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Originally posted by Maximus Germanicus

West Asia was never really in a Primacy...


Interesting. I'd venture to say that Western Eurasia, that is the regions west of the Indus, has been the hub of world development for most of history, with the global center moving in a millenia-long process from the Ancient Near East (Bronze and Iron Age) over the Mediterranean (classical antiquity and Islam) to Western Europe (from High Middle Ages on).

The rest, India, the Americas, China, etc., was almost static by comparison and not by chance  mostly on the receiving end in militarily terms.


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The existence of "grand-" or "meta-" narratives in historical traditions is something that postmodernists and literary critics set upon over thirty years ago.  Except in the realm of pop history or fiction, most academics with a brain would not declare the existence of such a thing these days on the scale of Ranke or Gibbon.


True, and yet weren't those much more engaging reads? Only a fool would believe that the fragmented mosaics of overly specialized studies which modern historian offer out of fear to become 'meta-historical' can actually substitute a grand narrative.
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True, and yet weren't those much more engaging reads? Only a fool would believe that the fragmented mosaics of overly specialized studies which modern historian offer out of fear to become 'meta-historical' can actually substitute a grand narrative.



You believe we should turn back to the grand narrative?
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Battle of Mohács (1526) video in HD, with with realistic period dresses and military units
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True, and yet weren't those much more engaging reads? Only a fool would believe that the fragmented mosaics of overly specialized studies which modern historian offer out of fear to become 'meta-historical' can actually substitute a grand narrative.



You believe we should turn back to the grand narrative?


We should dare to do both, specialized research and the grand narrative; the former is sterile and of limited use without the latter, and the latter needs the former to become plausible (not necessarily true in the strict sense).

A recent prime example is Paul Kennedy's Rise and Fall of the Great Powers which is a priceless analysis.
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Thats a fair argument, I'll go with you on that.


But how does one ensure quality grand narratives? Specializations by their nature should cover this.
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Just what do any of you consider as "grand narratives?"

Just where and when were they written, and by whom?
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Eh every civilization had their heyday. During the Middle Ages, Europe was nothing and contributed nothing towards civilization. It wasn't until humanism and secularism became prominent, that Europe began to become a global force. The Arabs had a great civilization before Europe, so did the Chinese, and the Indians(India). 
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I think thats a little bit harsh on Medieval Europe, to say they contributed nothing at all is quite mean. Its not like Universities or some of the greatest works of literature were produced in that period Smile
 
 
 
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Originally posted by WolfHound85

Eh every civilization had their heyday. During the Middle Ages, Europe was nothing and contributed nothing towards civilization. It wasn't until humanism and secularism became prominent, that Europe began to become a global force. The Arabs had a great civilization before Europe, so did the Chinese, and the Indians(India). 


What do you mean? The term dark ages is no longer used and if you really study western civilization you will discover, for yourself, that many great innovations were created in the medieval period. You also forget about the Byzantine or E. Roman Empire. Much of what made the Arabs great was built upon: Greek, Indian and Persian culture. The Arabs had to rely on the Greeks or really Romans to administer their new Empire, after the conquest of Byzantine lands.I am sure the same can be said about Persian lands.

Many of the great works that the Muslims claim were saved by them were translated by Christian Monks; Greek or Syrian. The Arab conquerors were illiterate nomads, like most in Western Europe of that time. The Byzantines were very literate and never went into a Dark Age. I suggest reading "The Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam and the Crusades" by Robert Spencer.

I would suggest studying Medieval European history and get your facts straight my friend.
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