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    Posted: 30-Aug-2004 at 04:31

I came across this site;

http://www.denizce.com/trgrab.asp

It also has the meaning in English. Most of the terms about sailing, sea, fish etc. in Turkish are of Greek origin (and the rest is Italian- Turks were not sailors originally). Check the list which starts with the letter I, since Turkish words cannot start with 2 consonants, Turks added an I (or an i) to the beginning of Greek words that start with 'st-'...

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Many of those "turkish" words are from a Persian and Arabic root.
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As Mast said, it just shows the strong influence of Persian and Arabic languages on both Greek and Turkish languages.

A copy and paste:

oban Shepherd Tsobanis
orap Woolen sock Tsurapis
orba soup Tsorbas

Chupan (Pahlavi Shupan) = Shup(Sheep) + Pan(Keeper) = Shepherd
Jurab (Arabicized form of Pahlavi Gurpa) = Gur(Grave, Surrounded) + Pa(Foot) = Sock
Shurba (Pahlavi Ashapa) = Ash(Food, Eat) + Apa(Water) = Soup
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I really dislike nationalists trying to 'own' everything. So let's try it again...

This link is to a site which lists common words in Greek and Turkish languages. They are not just Turkish words in Greek or Greek words in Turkish. Just common words. Of course, some of these common words come from various linguistical roots, including Arabic, Farsi, Italian, English, French, Native American (Ananas)... This is perfectly normal since few words in any given language come from native roots.

Words equally 'belong' to all languages which use them. So, the 'Turkish' words are indeed Turkish (and indeed Greek) words, which means that they are words used in modern Turkish. We don't need your quotation marks there. Also it is ridiculous to say this list 'just shows Farsi influence in Turkish and Greek'. That's 'just' what you see when you are an Iranian nationalist.

Besides, these words which you think you 'own', occur in Greek because the Greeks got them from Turkish, and not from Farsi or Arabic.

I hope it is clear now.



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Aşık = same in arabic (ashiq)
Ahmak = same in arabic (ahmaq)
Adet = Adat in arabic
etc.

There are Persian words in English that came via Greek, does that make them Greek? You can't call us nationalists for just pointing facts out (never claimed that we 'own' the words), but since you can not bare with the fact that there are words from your lowly neighbours in your language, I guess you're, going after your own definition, something of a nationalist.
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I think it is ridiculous to call Persian and Arabic words as common words in Greek and Turkish languages and not as loan words, it is really interesting that you believe that the owner of something is the one who uses it!!
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I think it is ridiculous to call Persian and Arabic words as common words in Greek and Turkish languages and not as loan words, it is really interesting that you believe that the owner of something is the one who uses it!!

I wrote myself that they are loanwords! Nobody claims that these words are all coming from Turkic/Greek roots, I surely don't and the website doesn't either. But these words are used in Turkish and Greek languages and they are thus Turkish and Greek words.

When normal people look at that list they think, for instance, 'hmm, so the names of fish are common in both languages', but you think 'oh, look at those stupid Turks they think ananas is a Turkish word, oh my god they are trying to steal our words', and rush to the forum to tell everyone that the Turks are stealing 'your' 'words. You think that way, because you think that a word belongs to a language only if it is coming from native roots- which is an extremely nationalistic attitude. So you'd better cool off, nobody is claiming that the words you mention are from Turkic roots, nobody is stealing 'your' words...

To explain you the incredible notion of words belonging to the language they are used in, and what is normally meant when someone says that one word is a Turkish word, here are some examples:
If you show an ananas to an Englishman and ask 'what is the English word for this?' Does he say 'Sorry, there is no English word for it' or does he say 'Ananas'?
Similarly 'kalem' is a Turkish word. It is an Arabic loanword, but it is the Turkish word for 'pen'. Ask any person or expert and they'll tell you that the Turkish word for pen is kalem...
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Shurba (Pahlavi Ashapa) = Ash(Food, Eat) + Apa(Water) = Soup.


Shurba(k) seems more like the correct origin, shur = sour.
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If you show an ananas to an Englishman and ask 'what is the English word for this?' Does he say 'Sorry, there is no English word for it' or does he say 'Ananas'?

None, he will say "Pineapple" (a pure english word, Pine+Apple)!

Similarly 'kalem' is a Turkish word. It is an Arabic loanword, but it is the Turkish word for 'pen'. Ask any person or expert and they'll tell you that the Turkish word for pen is kalem...

But they should use their own words and call it something like Yazi-slubu, shouldn't they?
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Oh Cyrus and Mast, you got totally wrong here. The link Beylerbeyi posted gives us a list of common words between Turkish and Greek, not taking into consideration of the words' origins.
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Originally posted by Cyrus Shahmiri

None, he will say "Pineapple" (a pure english word, Pine+Apple)!

Not really. 'Pine' is originally from Latin...

But they should use their own words and call it something like Yazi-slubu, shouldn't they?

No they shouldn't. Nobody 'owns' words. That's the nationalist extremist point of view. Turkey has such people who try to invent words in order to 'purify' the language. People make fun of them, usually. So, 'kalem' is a Turkish word as any. Besides 'slub' is an Arabic word. Turkish 'Yazi slubu' means 'writing style' in Turkish. If a Turkic word existed for pen, that would be something like 'yazach', I guess. Maybe the Kazakhs or Kyrgyz have such a word, I don't know.
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Originally posted by Beylerbeyi

I really dislike nationalists trying to 'own' everything. So let's try it again...

This link is to a site which lists common words in Greek and Turkish languages. They are not just Turkish words in Greek or Greek words in Turkish. Just common words. Of course, some of these common words come from various linguistical roots, including Arabic, Farsi, Italian, English, French, Native American (Ananas)... This is perfectly normal since few words in any given language come from native roots.

Words equally 'belong' to all languages which use them. So, the 'Turkish' words are indeed Turkish (and indeed Greek) words, which means that they are words used in modern Turkish. We don't need your quotation marks there. Also it is ridiculous to say this list 'just shows Farsi influence in Turkish and Greek'. That's 'just' what you see when you are an Iranian nationalist.

Besides, these words which you think you 'own', occur in Greek because the Greeks got them from Turkish, and not from Farsi or Arabic.

I hope it is clear now.

Mast,who helped us about origins of some words for many times before,is niether a nationalist nor a man who tries to own anything..

Without doubt,Mast has tried to show ''how our cultures are close to one another,how we Turks and Persians are linked to each other..

i like this kind of views a lot since they aim to unite different people...

We should not response to those with prejudice but with sympathy.
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but Cyrus is, yes?
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Oh, the Diplomat! I wonder what made you reply to this message some 2 weeks after it was written? Could it be because you got shaken up somewhere else?

We should not response to those with prejudice but with sympathy.

Written in authentic Turkish secondary school pupil style- 'we should respect our elders, we should not be unruly, we must work for our country, we must all unite and think the same way...' Don't you think you are too old for this?

And what about Cyrus really? Is he an extreme nationalist? Is he a member of your 'group' or what?

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Originally posted by Beylerbeyi

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Written in authentic Turkish secondary school pupil style- 'we should respect our elders, we should not be unruly, we must work for our country, we must all unite and think the same way...'


If you were to count the words 'must', 'should' and 'ought' in an ordinary junior high essay it would probably amount to half the word count. At least.

And what about Cyrus really? Is he an extreme nationalist? Is he a member of your 'group' or what?



Yeah, now what about Cyrus? What ever happened to Baby Jane?
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Originally posted by Beylerbeyi

Oh, the Diplomat! I wonder what made you reply to this message some 2 weeks after it was written? Could it be because you got shaken up somewhere else?

Scientists call this ''Paranoia''...ofcourse i have erad your emssage when there was even any reply..i read it again and saw your comichal accuse towards Mast.

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Originally posted by Beyelrbeyi

Written in authentic Turkish secondary school pupil style- 'we should respect our elders, we should not be unruly, we must work for our country, we must all unite and think the same way...' Don't you think you are too old for this?

ofcourse i am..but,unfortunately on contrary to their ages,some people behave too youngly.

Originally posted by Beylerbeyi

And what about Cyrus really? Is he an extreme nationalist? Is he a member of your 'group' or what?

what are you guys trying to do...i know Mast very well.we have been in discussion on former AE ,on THFA as well...we had some similar discussions on THFA.what i know about cyrus is his stand on Turkish-Persian relations and issues concerned with  Turkiye..

But if you can think  cyrus to be an extreme-nationalist,it is smth between you and Cyrus in person.



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Yeah, now what about Cyrus?

is this your whole problem in this life?

i believe that with ''so concerned''' people like you 2,HAITI could even be a member of the EU



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is this your whole problem in this life?


That is not my post, my post was "Yeah, what about Cyrus? What ever happened to Baby Jane?" It was a take on Beylerbeyi's post, and the latter is a famous movie; you wouldn't have realized that of course as you clearly don't read the second line, let alone between the lines.

i believe that with ''so concerned''' people like you 2,HAITI could even be a member of the EU



I believe Haiti has no such problems. We're only here to plunder and sink a few ships anyway. Right, Beylerbeyi?
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That is not my post, my post was "Yeah, what about Cyrus? What ever happened to Baby Jane?" It was a take on Beylerbeyi's post, and the latter is a famous movie; you wouldn't have realized that of course as you clearly don't read the second line, let alone between the lines.

But That opens the same doori didnt want to remind you in my previous message...but now i see i have to...

Clearly,i hope you can get for this time,may i remind you,  it is not your business 


 



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Clearly,i hope you can get for this time,may i remind you,  it is not your business 


I cannot make it from the syntax at all, what is not my business my dear diplomat?

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