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Topic: Alexander the Great vs. Beethoven Posted: 21-Oct-2006 at 17:16 |
I've noticed people like to make comparisons, so I'd like to have your
opinion on the question if Beethoven was a better composer than
Alexander was a general?
Or alternatively, would Beethoven have been a better general than Alexander a composer? If Alexander would have written music, how would it have sounded? And how would Beethoven have tried to defeat Darius?
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Posted: 21-Oct-2006 at 21:57 |
I voted Beethoven because Alexander was a brutish thug -- hardly a paragon of civilization, who brought nothing but destruction and civil war, whereas Beethoven gave us such wonders as his piano sonatas and his symphonies. However, I do not think that either of them would have done well in each other's fields of specialty!
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Posted: 21-Oct-2006 at 22:15 |
Beethoven began mastering his art at age 4, Alexander in his mid teens. It is easy to see who is more precocious.
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Posted: 21-Oct-2006 at 23:18 |
Beethoven would play his music and Darius would surrender in awe of his music hehehe
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Posted: 22-Oct-2006 at 00:49 |
Beethoven would play his music and Darius would have his head chopped off. Alexander was one of the greatest generals in history, that trumps any composition ever written....
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Posted: 22-Oct-2006 at 08:29 |
I go with Beethoven, even though some of his works are not as good as other composers like Dvorak and Rimsky-Korsakov. Also, Alexander was not that great of a general (the Persians never had 250,000 men, and their army was mostly made up of rabble peasants with wickerwork shields and spears).
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Posted: 22-Oct-2006 at 15:45 |
Beethoven, no contest. It's a choice between creation and destruction... easy.
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Posted: 23-Oct-2006 at 08:16 |
Originally posted by Constantine XI
Beethoven began mastering his art at age 4, Alexander in his mid teens. It is easy to see who is more precocious.
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Good explaination My vote also goes to Beethoven.. But in my heart the winner is Mozart
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Posted: 23-Oct-2006 at 09:10 |
It's a draw.
I read that Alexander's unfinished symphony was a work of pure genius. Especially the last movement of the climactic finale where the conductor leaps into the audience and proclaims to the MET ticket holders, " I hearby rename this auditorium as Alexander's Metropolitan Opera".
Beethoven would have made quite the proud generalissimo of his day. One can visualize him burning Persepolis while muttering 'Ode An die Freude'.
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Posted: 23-Oct-2006 at 17:33 |
Originally posted by Aelfgifu
Beethoven, no contest. It's a choice between creation and destruction... easy. |
Alexander created an empire...
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Posted: 23-Oct-2006 at 19:16 |
Originally posted by Adalwolf
Originally posted by Aelfgifu
Beethoven, no contest. It's a choice between creation and destruction... easy. |
Alexander created an empire...
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He also destroyed a few empires.
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Posted: 23-Oct-2006 at 19:47 |
Originally posted by Emperor Barbarossa
Originally posted by Adalwolf
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Beethoven, no contest. It's a choice between creation and destruction... easy. |
Alexander created an empire...
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He also destroyed a few empires.
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Quite true. You could say that he created multiple empries since his single empire fragmented after his death.
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Posted: 24-Oct-2006 at 04:36 |
What use is an Empire to anyone but him? Beethovens work we can still enjoy, Alexanders work was gone as soon as himself. I was not even a lasting Empire. Flimsy excuse.
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Posted: 24-Oct-2006 at 05:11 |
Originally posted by Aelfgifu
What use is an Empire to anyone but
him? Beethovens work we can still enjoy, Alexanders work was gone
as soon as himself. I was not even a lasting Empire. Flimsy
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His legacy was absolutely enormous, transforming a single monolithic
Persian state into multiple Hellenistic ones, for better or worse.
In one of its better manifestations, the magnificence of Alexandria and
Ptolemaic Egypt combined the intellectual drive of the Greeks with the
wealth and power of the East.
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Posted: 24-Oct-2006 at 09:35 |
Originally posted by Aelfgifu
What use is an Empire to anyone but him? Beethovens work we can still enjoy, Alexanders work was gone as soon as himself. I was not even a lasting Empire. Flimsy excuse. |
hey don't knock his empire unless you have created a few yourself.
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Posted: 24-Oct-2006 at 10:01 |
Originally posted by Constantine XI
His legacy was absolutely enormous, transforming a single monolithic Persian state into multiple Hellenistic ones, for better or worse.
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That was not Alex's doing, that was just a side-effect. His aim was to create an empire, but it lasted less than two decades, that's as bad an excuse of an empire as I've ever seen...
Originally posted by Sparten
hey don't knock his empire unless you have created a few yourself.
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Why would I? I'm no megalomaniac.
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Posted: 24-Oct-2006 at 12:28 |
Well right now since we are all so civilized we say Beethoven, back then people would have picked Alexander over 10 of the best Thracian singers the ancient world ever had.
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Posted: 25-Oct-2006 at 16:39 |
I think we should judge the two in comparison by the movies made about their lives.
While the recent "Alexander" was one of the worst historical movies ever to come out of Hollywood, I thoroughly enjoyed "Beethoven" and laughed a lot, especially when he ate the turkey from the dinner table. And the sequel wasn't bad either.
Edited by Komnenos - 25-Oct-2006 at 16:40
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