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Topic: Will China ever acquire/purchase Siberia? Posted: 14-Mar-2005 at 03:52 |
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Posted: 14-Mar-2005 at 04:51 |
Why would China want to do that in the first place? Besides, for the Russians, as hard as it is to sustain Siberia, the act that having a coast line in the Pavific grants them power in the Pacific. Even though it is a fading world power, it is still too much to give up.
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Posted: 14-Mar-2005 at 08:56 |
The Russians gave up Alaska, and the French gave up Louisina, which would give them direct access to North America. Anything can happen.
China wants Sibera back because of its access to the sea of Japan.
The Russians might sell it because of the loss of control of Seberia especially its population which is increasingly dominated by the Chinese.
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Posted: 14-Mar-2005 at 18:47 |
if Russia continues to deteriorate they way very well sell. If theres a resurgence they wil not. But right now it sure doesnt look like there will be a resugence. I would expect a large amount of money would be asked from such land however. Certainly not all of Siberia would be sold nor would Russia give up all Pacific sea acess...I have a feeling if any territory exchanges hands it will be limited to the Amur valley and the area around Vladivostok.
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Posted: 15-Mar-2005 at 00:47 |
Originally posted by coolstorm
The Russians gave up Alaska, and the French gave up Louisina, which would give them direct access to North America. Anything can happen.
China wants Sibera back because of its access to the sea of Japan.
The Russians might sell it because of the loss of control of Seberia especially its population which is increasingly dominated by the Chinese.
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Russia won't even give back 2 small islands to Japan what makes you think they'd sell or give away Siberia?
I have no clue what the current status between the Russians or Japanese are but it seems to be improving .... but even then Russia is relucant to give up those 2 islands..... for China to acquire Siberia is nearly impossible..... Russia will try hold onto those lands as long as it can....
It seems to me that there have been claims that Russia is losing control over these lands.... who knows what the situation is but i do believe it.... expecially when moscow is 8 time zones away it couldn't possibility have too much influence over this far east.
Something tells me that Russias are very stubborn.... i think China knows this that is why a few months back they signed an agreement that China would not demand any more land back that they ceded to russia during the 1850's and 1860's......Besides China needs Russian weapons.......
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Posted: 15-Mar-2005 at 11:27 |
Originally posted by coolstorm
The Russians gave up Alaska, and the French gave up Louisina, which would give them direct access to North America. Anything can happen.
China wants Sibera back because of its access to the sea of Japan.
The Russians might sell it because of the loss of control of Seberia especially its population which is increasingly dominated by the Chinese.
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Siberia has a dominant Mongolian and Turkic population, not Chinese.
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Posted: 15-Mar-2005 at 16:38 |
Originally posted by Oguzoglu
Originally posted by coolstorm
The Russians gave up Alaska, and the French gave up Louisina, which would give them direct access to North America. Anything can happen.
China wants Sibera back because of its access to the sea of Japan.
The Russians might sell it because of the loss of control of Seberia especially its population which is increasingly dominated by the Chinese.
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Siberia has a dominant Mongolian and Turkic population, not Chinese.
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Well said.
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Posted: 15-Mar-2005 at 16:49 |
Originally posted by coolstorm
The Russians gave up Alaska, and the French gave up Louisina, which would give them direct access to North America. Anything can happen.
China wants Sibera back because of its access to the sea of Japan.
The Russians might sell it because of the loss of control of Seberia especially its population which is increasingly dominated by the Chinese.
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What the hell do you mean, China wants Siberia "back"? When was Siberia ever ruled by the Chinese?
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Posted: 15-Mar-2005 at 16:52 |
Originally posted by coolstorm
The Russians gave up Alaska, and the French gave up Louisina, which would give them direct access to North America. Anything can happen.
China wants Sibera back because of its access to the sea of Japan.
The Russians might sell it because of the loss of control of Seberia especially its population which is increasingly dominated by the Chinese. |
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Posted: 15-Mar-2005 at 17:16 |
Originally posted by battleaxe
Originally posted by coolstorm
The Russians gave up Alaska, and the French gave up Louisina, which would give them direct access to North America. Anything can happen.
China wants Sibera back because of its access to the sea of Japan.
The Russians might sell it because of the loss of control of Seberia especially its population which is increasingly dominated by the Chinese.
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What the hell do you mean, China wants Siberia "back"? When was Siberia ever ruled by the Chinese? |
Like i said before coolstorm has a lack of knowledge and tends to make up history.... China never ruled Siberia, if you mean parts of the Russian Far east then yes China had influence over it and claimed it for themselves. However that was lost by 1850 and 1860's to 2 treaties the treaty of aigun and the treaty of peking.
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Posted: 18-Mar-2005 at 23:57 |
russian far east is part of siberia.
i don't know who's the one that has a lack of knowledge here.
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Posted: 19-Mar-2005 at 00:26 |
Originally posted by coolstorm
russian far east is part of siberia.
i don't know who's the one that has a lack of knowledge here.
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Actually, no...
the red parts siberia
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Posted: 19-Mar-2005 at 01:10 |
Originally posted by Gubukjanggoon
Originally posted by coolstorm
russian far east is part of siberia.
i don't know who's the one that has a lack of knowledge here.
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Actually, no...
the red parts siberia
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lol yes coolstorm you have a lack of knowledge for a Chinese American.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siberia
Or should i say you HAVE NO knowledge .....
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Posted: 19-Mar-2005 at 02:48 |
u can say whatever u want.
and u should also know that my tolerance has a limit.
u have instulted me more than one time now. directly and personally.
if u wanna insult me, do it more wisely with better wording. but u didn't.
i have no choice but to report u with all the previous insults i collected.
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Posted: 19-Mar-2005 at 03:23 |
you guys are both wrong:
these areas are all part of siberia
i am sorry but u guys both do not look too good on this.
http://www.siberianomad.com/map_siberia.html
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Posted: 19-Mar-2005 at 03:31 |
" Siberia is the territory in the Asian part of Russia. Till the beginning of the 20th century the territory from the Ural to the Pacific Ocean was called Siberia. Later, when the Soviet regime appeared, two regions were formed - Siberia and Far East. Now the territory of Siberia is divided into Western Siberia, Eastern Siberia and the Russian Far East. "
http://www.siberianomad.com/siberia.html
did you make up that map by yourself?
Gubukjanggoon:
I used to think you are a fair person with good knowledge. I've realized I am very wrong.
It's hard to believe that a Korean person does not know what Siberia is consisted of.
If you don't know about Siberia, better do some more research before you post something up to disqualify another person's knowledge.
Is it because I proved your arguments wrong in the Xiongnu name and invasion trends that you started bashing me with incorrect and made-up information and knowledge?
You guys' wording does make you guys look fair when providing inaccuate information and invalid arguments. And, at the same time, you guys could disapprove others' accurate information as if you were right.
I do admire you guys for that talent tho.
I guess this is gonna strengthen you guys' little bashing alliance against me, right?
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Posted: 19-Mar-2005 at 03:39 |
Hmm..we seem to have conflicting sources...Wiki's article on the Russian far east says this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Far_East
"According to most reference sources, the Russian Far East should not be confused with Siberia, which does not stretch all the way to the Pacific."
As for me feeling bitter about the Xiong Nu thing..don't worry, I'm
not. I still happen to believe my ideas, but I'm ok with the fact
that you may disagree with me.
As for me bashing you..perhaps I have been trying to prove a lot of the
stuff you say is wrong..but that's only because I feel it's
wrong. Sometimes I'm right sometimes I'm not. It's not only
you though, I'd do it to anyone. You just happen to post a lot in
the Asian forum and that's the forum I frequent the most. : P.
As for an alliance, maybe I should consider making one eh? In all
seriousness there was never an alliance between me and
pheonix_bladen..quite frankly I'm a bit irked by the fact that he
thinks that Korean was derived from Chinese characters.
I don't know why all of a sudden you're making personal attacks..but I'm not really appreciating it.
-GJ
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coolstorm
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Posted: 19-Mar-2005 at 03:40 |
Originally posted by phoenix_bladen
Originally posted by Gubukjanggoon
Originally posted by coolstorm
russian far east is part of siberia.
i don't know who's the one that has a lack of knowledge here.
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Actually, no...
the red parts siberia
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lol yes coolstorm you have a lack of knowledge for a Chinese American.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siberia
Or should i say you HAVE NO knowledge .....
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This is from the website you posted:
"Administrative subdivisions
Geographically, Siberia includes the federal subjects of the Urals Federal District, Siberian Federal District and Sakha (Yakutia) Republic, which is a part of the Far Eastern Federal District (see a list of subjects below). From the historical point of view, the whole Russian Far East is considered a part of Siberia."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siberia
That map is a map of Siberia that shows the different regions of Siberia. The Red area is the Ural Federal district. According to that website, Siberia goes Eastward until the Pacific Ocean.
you probably didn't read what it says on that website you posted.
This is this first time I see someone post a website to prove himself wrong on ae.
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Posted: 19-Mar-2005 at 03:42 |
Yes, I seem to have missed that part. Thanks for pointing that
out. I'll make sure to read the whole thing before a post yea?
-GJ
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Posted: 19-Mar-2005 at 03:45 |
I don't know why all of a sudden you're making personal attacks..but I'm not really appreciating it. |
post whatever personal attacks that i've made.
please do.
saying that i am wrong in thinking that you are fair is not a personal attack. it means i do not think you are fair, and that's all it says.
saying that you guys look fair in wording while giving inaccurate information is in no way a personal attack either. i can say that in court.
however, you cannot accuse others of any crimes that can potentially hurt his reputation without evidence cause it can be considered as "slander". i dun wanna post all that legal stuff up again. try go look it up urself.
beside, please read your own source carefully. the red part is one of the siberia administrative districts. other districts are also considered as part of siberia.
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