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Murat
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Topic: Would it be better to be Independent from history? Posted: 31-Mar-2007 at 05:02 |
I am wondering whether or not someone exists for whom his/her ancients` lives do not influence the route on which he/she goes.
2nd ..Which spiritual targets of U, are effected more by the achivement of the historical knowledge..love or hate
I am very curious about these two major things,which are under the contol of the source of interaction among the people who are enabled to communicate on a suitable platform.
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Why should I seek? I am the same as
He. His essence speaks through me.
I have been looking for myself!----Rumi
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tommy
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Posted: 12-Apr-2007 at 11:05 |
Life is hard, life is busy, Life is painful,I do not to trouble by some meaningless historical problem, such as Japanese invasion of China
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Praetor
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Posted: 12-Apr-2007 at 12:46 |
Originally posted by Murat
I am wondering whether or not someone exists for whom
his/her ancients` lives do not influence the route on which he/she
goes.
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We are all influenced by what has gone before whether we realise it or
not, if an individuals ancestors were to do something different then
the individual may not exist. Just because I was unaware of the
decision to set up a penal colony in Australia doesn't mean that I
would still be here if that was event did not take place. In short we
can not escape history.
Regards, Praetor.
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konstantinius
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Posted: 13-Apr-2007 at 13:52 |
History is every second that has just elapsed. In that sense we're all influenced by it. But personal choice and education also play a role.
Edited by konstantinius - 13-Apr-2007 at 13:52
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Ovidius
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Posted: 16-Apr-2007 at 11:54 |
Originally posted by Murat
I am wondering whether or not someone exists for whom his/her ancients` lives do not influence the route on which he/she goes.
2nd ..Which spiritual targets of U, are effected more by the achivement of the historical knowledge..love or hate
I am very curious about these two major things,which are under the contol of the source of interaction among the people who are enabled to communicate on a suitable platform. |
There is a Tribe in South America that have no past tense. They do not have a history because they cannot communicate it in language at all, there is no culture of keeping history or recording anything that occurred in the Past. They also have no numbers or time, or a concept of time. which sounds great to me! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pirah%C3%A3_languagehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pirah%C3%A3_peoplehttp://www.spiegel.de/international/spiegel/0,1518,414291,00.html
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Posted: 17-Apr-2007 at 05:03 |
No one can escape the Concept of time, however they could well not have
a word for it and it possible to live without history if you take the
technical definition of it bieng composed of written records. It is
impossible by any other definition.
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Ovidius
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Posted: 17-Apr-2007 at 06:14 |
why can no one escape the concept of time? By not having a work or a concept of 'events being placed' then you remove time. Yes, ok there is always a certain element of the sun going down, seasons etc, but that is slightly different to having a concept of time.
The Piraha people have no word for time and, according to studies, do not keep time. Their concept of time does not exist based on culture, they do not measure it nor pay attention to it.
As for History in their culture - they have no past tense and do not 'culturally' pay attention to the past. They therefore live without history, with or without your technical definition. There is no 'living history' either - they do no construct the past and cannot within their language.
Thats what anthropology believes, anyhow.
How can it be impossible?
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Posted: 17-Apr-2007 at 08:15 |
A CONCEPT is different from a WORD, it doesn't matter if they don't
place any cultural importance on it if they had no CONCEPT of time they
would not notice the sun going down and a certain tasks bieng performed
at certain parts of the day or realise that somebody is 50 years older
than somebody else EVERYONE posseses the concept of time!
As for History according to one of the technical definitions it is
easily possible that they do not have a history. However they would be
aware of certain events taking place in the community at certain times
in relation to each other and for organisational purposes and personal
reasons it is sometimes necesary to remember something from further
than three days ago and communicate it.
Regards, Praetor.
Edited by Praetor - 17-Apr-2007 at 08:16
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Posted: 17-Apr-2007 at 09:22 |
Yes, Concepts are different from words. I would say that Time is based on an acknowledgement of three things - Past, Present and Future. Considering that the Piraha basically merge the three into one, I think that Time is not significant as a concept. Like we both agree, there is always going to be a partial use of events in the day - sun going up and down, the moon etc. But does this constitute time, I don't things so, not really. I think there is a differences between concepts of 'time' and understanding process or change. As for Age - they don't have numbers or a past tense, I wonder if they have a word for old. But I don't know if they distinguish between peoples ages. Yes, Obviously there is some degree of memory. They can, according to this, communicate it, but in the present tense and if they were reliving it basically. They have a certain degree of process too. However, the argument Daniel Everett has is that they do not posess a History because it is not culturally significant. If you are interested... see http://www.journals.uchicago.edu/CA/journal/issues/v46n4/054006/054006.htmlThats the Jorunal of Current Anthropology - 46, 4.
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sreenivasarao s
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Posted: 17-Apr-2007 at 13:37 |
Abraham Lincoln spoke for all of us
when he said; Fellow-citizens, we cannot escape history None of us can
escape history. It is like
running away from ones shadow. History will end only when Man does. This is true at a relative level so long we are bound by space , time and casuation.
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sreenivasarao s
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Posted: 17-Apr-2007 at 14:03 |
Originally posted by Ovidius
Yes, Concepts are different from words. I would say that Time is based on an acknowledgement of three things - Past, Present and Future. Considering that the Piraha basically merge the three into one, I think that Time is not significant as a concept. Like we both agree, there is always going to be a partial use of events in the day - sun going up and down, the moon etc. But does this constitute time, I don't things so, not really. I think there is a differences between concepts of 'time' and understanding process or change.
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Speaking about concepts let me add that the concept of time
is a much-debated subject. Indian texts Hindu and Buddhist
- say time is an illusion .Yet the illusion persists. (I heard Einstein shared
a similar view). Man needs to break up time into fragments because he has to
understand, monitor and manage his life and of his fellow beings. The linier time, as we understand
it, exists because we have learnt to impose a relative concept over the absolute.
For example, we have accepted a day as a working unit of time. We have
divided / sub- divided it into hours, minutes, seconds etc. We measure our work
and life in terms of these units. A day itself is reckoned with reference to
sunset and sunrise. We may call this a relative view. However, we all know sun neither
sets nor rises. From the Absolute point of view, there is no day or night. It
is a time- less universe (because time as we understand it, is measured in terms
of the interval between two events.) We in our daily life impose a
relative concept (day) over the Absolute (time- less ness).This we do, because
we are living in a relative world and not because we are ignorant of the suns
status. Otherwise, how else can we live in a relative world?
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