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Topic: ALEXANDER, where should I start with the Posted: 28-Nov-2004 at 20:19 |
Cyrus, help me out man....
Should I begin with that all Macedonians were blonde-haired northern
European looking folks or should I comment on more fundamental mistakes
like a quote in the latter part of the movie when Alexander says that
everyon was a slave undeer Persian rule, or should I stick to practical
mistakes like making "Babylon" look like Susa and Persepolis at times?
Can someone add more?
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Cyrus Shahmiri
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Posted: 29-Nov-2004 at 14:19 |
Macedonians could be blonde but was Roxanna black? Babylon could look like Susa and Persepolis but was it more important than them?!
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Posted: 29-Nov-2004 at 15:43 |
The next Iran related historical movie coming out seems to be this one. Lets hope it has a little less prejudice
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0430431/
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Posted: 08-Dec-2004 at 20:05 |
When I looked at some of the casting for Stone's 'Alexander' (especially the part for Roxane), I had my doubts...
But, yes, I'm certain that Oliver Stone took quite a few liberties with
the history of Alexander III of Macedon. But consider the
sources; largely fragmentary writings, some of which were put down
several generations after the man was dead and gone and his empire had
already disintegrated and was changing hands. Mostly, I think
Stone was approaching Alexander like the Hollywood producer that he
is. Historical accuracy was the least of his worries.
That doesn't mean that I might not rent the movie when it comes out on
DVD, but I'd have to take it with a grain of salt when I see Rosario
Dawson start dashing about in a room wearing only the knife that Mr.
Stone decided to write into the scene...
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Posted: 11-Dec-2004 at 09:17 |
Her ti*s weren't so bad!
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Posted: 13-Dec-2004 at 13:36 |
Originally posted by Cyrus Shahmiri
Macedonians could be blonde but was Roxanna black? Babylon could look like Susa and Persepolis but was it more important than them?!
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assyrians was the gratest and the others like persia and the babylonians stole assyrian war tecnincs....and used assyrian generals in their armys,,,
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Posted: 13-Dec-2004 at 14:05 |
assyrians?? do they still exist?
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Posted: 13-Dec-2004 at 16:12 |
They are an ethnicity in Iraq, much like the Persians which are
not the Arabs living in Iran but certain Souther Kyrgyzy tribes.
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J.M.Finegold
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Posted: 13-Dec-2004 at 20:31 |
Well Roxanne was from the Eastern Persian Empire, and last time I checked they have either black or brown hair.
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Posted: 14-Dec-2004 at 04:28 |
still the hairs are black but not the body they are white
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Posted: 21-Dec-2004 at 00:45 |
I think the movie did not capture the "Macedonian" atmosphere.
It's hard to describe. I kinda feel some sort of relation to the style
of ancient Macedonian culture. As I was watching Alexander the Great on
the History Channel (3 hours long), I could almost picture how
Alexander looked and acted, like that time he was seriously injured. I
could imagine myself right there when the rest of the troops were
rushing to back him up too quickly, breaking the ladders. And then his
death. And later his statues to establish his presence at the table.
I haven't even seen the Alexander movie yet but I can conclude that it
does not capture the Macedonian atmosphere just by looking at the TV
ads. It's too goldy. And that's not even Alexander. My supernatural
abilities tell me he was not blonde. And is that Angelina Jolie?
Since opening Wednesday to get a jump-start on the Thanksgiving
holiday, the film has earned $21.6 million. The independently financed
film, a dream project of Stone's for 15 years, reportedly cost more
than $150 million to make. ...
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Posted: 21-Dec-2004 at 01:16 |
what a coincidence, my super natural abilities told me the movie sucked. The historical inacuracies would have bothered me more if i could see them over all the acting. There are pre-battle speeches in RTW better than Colin Farrals. Bad pick indeed for Roxanna. I know i have bashed the movie too much but Alexander deserved more. Caligula was better time spent.
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read once that 400,000 claim assyrian heritage world wide, correct if wrong.
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Posted: 23-Dec-2004 at 00:12 |
Response to Catt:
There are 400,000 Assyrians in the U.S, with large concentrations in Chicago (85,000), Detroit
(100,000), the Bay Area (40,000), Los Angeles and San Diego (50,000),
Phoenix (8,000), New York (15,000) and Boston (5,000). In Iraq there
are 1.5 million
Assyrians (also known as Chaldeans and Syriacs). Nearly 90% of Iraq's
refugees in America are Assyrian. About 5 million worldwide.
But some Chaldeans and Syriacs don't call themselves Assyrian. Maybe
the Chaldeans are ethnically Chaldeans and maybe the Syriacs are
ethnically Syriacs/Aramaeans. And if I say the term Assyrian is also a
nation, things can either make more or less sense depending on the way
you think of it.
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Posted: 23-Dec-2004 at 00:17 |
ok, so it was 400k in the US? thanks.
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Posted: 25-Dec-2004 at 13:55 |
Originally posted by dark_one
They are an ethnicity in Iraq, much like the Persians which are not the Arabs living in Iran but certain Souther Kyrgyzy tribes. |
WHAT!?!? Iranians are NOT Arabs! We have a different language, different language family, different race, different culture...Arabs are semites, Iranians are Indo-Europeans.
There are very, very few Arabs living in Iran other than temporary Iraqi war refugees (yes, Mesopotamians have almost all become Arabs) as unfortunately nobody likes Arabs in Iran.
There are a fair share of Arabicized Iranians, though.
Assyrio-Chaldeans are in Iran as well as Iraq.
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Posted: 25-Dec-2004 at 14:08 |
Originally posted by AssYRIAN_WOrrIOR
Originally posted by Cyrus Shahmiri
Macedonians could be blonde but was Roxanna black? Babylon could look like Susa and Persepolis but was it more important than them?!
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assyrians was the gratest and the others like persia and the babylonians stole assyrian war tecnincs....and used assyrian generals in their armys,,,
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That implies that Assyrians were only a fraction of those Persians who employed their ideas
Assyria had a strong military, a really impressive empire you are right. But their economy could not support it very well, sadly for them.
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Posted: 05-Jan-2005 at 03:01 |
The movie did suck. I'm glad I didn't pay for it.
It was somewhat amusing at times, though. their justification for
invasion (leading to Babylon) and war speeches, etc, reminded me of the
same loose proofs/justification used to invade Iraq (leading to Baghdad)
Though one thing I did like overall, it didn't try to make it
politically correct, it showed how some people really thinked,
etc. Would be nice if it had been a good movie as well..
Edited by Sabzevarian
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Posted: 05-Jan-2005 at 11:13 |
someone else paid for your tiket or what?
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Posted: 05-Jan-2005 at 11:34 |
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Posted: 05-Jan-2005 at 19:53 |
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