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DayI
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Topic: Kurdistan Posted: 07-Jan-2006 at 06:34 |
Originally posted by Maju
Originally posted by ahiskali
there never has been a real "kurdistan" in history
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Yes, because Kurdistan is not (necesarily) a state but the land wher Kurds dwell. It's the same with all nations... and keeping another nation slave of yours is a crime against humankind.
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You consider yourself as a slave too? A basque guy is a spanish slave?
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Fizzil
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Posted: 07-Jan-2006 at 07:21 |
Erm let me elaborate, i thought they meant if the kurds had mullahs within the iranian government which i replied that they wouldn't.. sorry for not elaborating.
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Maju
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Posted: 07-Jan-2006 at 10:32 |
Originally posted by DayI
Originally posted by Maju
Originally posted by ahiskali
there never has been a real "kurdistan" in history
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Yes,
because Kurdistan is not (necesarily) a state but the land wher Kurds
dwell. It's the same with all nations... and keeping another nation
slave of yours is a crime against humankind.
| You consider yourself as a slave too? A basque guy is a spanish slave? |
The Basque People is prisioner of Spain and France, no doubt.
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NO GOD, NO MASTER!
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Posted: 07-Jan-2006 at 11:30 |
the kurds have conflicts among themselves they beed to settle that first and then deal with other stuff.
I think that the kurds aren't ready fot there own goverment
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kotumeyil
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Posted: 07-Jan-2006 at 16:59 |
Originally posted by ramin
Torzeche kharz
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What do you mean? In English, please...
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Artaxiad
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Posted: 08-Jan-2006 at 00:04 |
the kurds have conflicts among themselves they beed to settle that first and then deal with other stuff. |
All nations have "conflicts among themselves". Are you talking about the quarrels between different Kurdish political parties? It's called democracy.
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Mila
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Posted: 08-Jan-2006 at 00:08 |
They should establish a state for the Kurds.
They might as well put in the West Bank, Gaza Strip, and Jordan. It was
pointless keeping half of Palestine anyways, they might as well give it
all away.
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Maju
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Posted: 08-Jan-2006 at 00:24 |
Originally posted by Mila
They should establish a state for the Kurds.
They might as well put in the West Bank, Gaza Strip, and Jordan. It was
pointless keeping half of Palestine anyways, they might as well give it
all away.
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Very funny...
So you want an independent state in Kosova but you don't want one in Kurdistan. That's called double standards.
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Mila
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Posted: 08-Jan-2006 at 00:50 |
It probably is, but I don't really want an independent Kosovo. As I
said, mainly because it will created tensions in Bosnia and Herzegovina.
But Kosovo already exists. It already has borders. You couldn't compare
that to an abstract Kurdistan sort-of bordering on three or four states.
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erci
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Posted: 08-Jan-2006 at 01:06 |
Originally posted by kotumeyil
Originally posted by ramin
Torzeche kharz
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What do you mean? In English, please... |
that's his answer to everything.I know what it means, it's a joke in iran kinda slang word with a little bit Turkish salt in it.
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Maju
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Posted: 08-Jan-2006 at 01:58 |
Originally posted by Mila
It probably is, but I don't really want an independent Kosovo. As I
said, mainly because it will created tensions in Bosnia and Herzegovina.
But Kosovo already exists. It already has borders. You couldn't compare
that to an abstract Kurdistan sort-of bordering on three or four states.
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Well, Palestine doesn't have clear borders either, nor does Bosnia if
we consider pan-Serbian claims. But this can easily be fixed if there's
good will. The problem is that there's no good will in this world.
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Posted: 08-Jan-2006 at 10:42 |
There's not a kurdistan.It's a plan.Writers of these plan made these plan because they want to break our government and occupy our country,than all middle east.Its not a rebbellion of kurds.Its a plan of occupiers(you know who they're).
There was not a kurdistan.There isn't and there wont.Know these as these...
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Posted: 08-Jan-2006 at 10:49 |
We have a Kordestan in Iran, it is a region and now there is one in Northern Iraq.
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Attila2
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Posted: 08-Jan-2006 at 11:46 |
I dont think the kurds would really want to establish a Kurdistan in Turkey,which makes their Turkish identity to be lost,thus making them the people of another country which allows the Army bomb and decimate them without hesitation
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iKurd
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Posted: 10-Jan-2006 at 06:30 |
It's a known fact that the kurds worship Lucifer.
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Maju
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Posted: 10-Jan-2006 at 07:43 |
Originally posted by Attila2
I dont think the kurds would really want to
establish a Kurdistan in Turkey,which makes their Turkish identity to
be lost,thus making them the people of another country which allows the
Army bomb and decimate them without hesitation |
They wouldn't lose much, as it is well known hat Turkey is the state
that worse treats its Kurdish citizens. But, anyhow, if you want to
know, ask them.
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iKurd
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Posted: 10-Jan-2006 at 10:15 |
"...which makes their Turkish identity to
be lost."
I can't "lose" something that I've never had dude...
Rape is not love, no matter what your "ata" thought.
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erci
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Posted: 10-Jan-2006 at 10:39 |
Originally posted by Maju
They wouldn't lose much, as it is well known hat Turkey is the state
that worse treats its Kurdish citizens. But, anyhow, if you want to
know, ask them.
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No. I don't know their situation in Iran but It was Iraq.Kurds who
claim they treated bad in Turkey are just a small minority.of course it
is enough for European contries to bash Turkey.Turkey had two president
with Kurkish origin.Half of the Turkish Assembly members today are
Kurdish in origin.The tax they pay is just a symbolic number.They have
advantage of having credit with no interest or lesser while I have to
pay a huge amount in western Turkey.They can speak their own language,
they have their own school.How is this a bad treatment?
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Maju
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Posted: 10-Jan-2006 at 11:13 |
It was Iraq probably but not anymore (they have some self government
now and they also play an important role in pan-Iraqui politics now),
so now it is Turkey the country that keeps a more Kurdophobic attitude.
I'm unsure about Iran but I think the situation is not as bad as in
Turkey, where the whole Kurdish region is under strict military
control, Turk agents have been caught placing bombs, Kurdish
nationalism is systematically prosecuted, etc.
I'm not sure how realistic is to say that the last decade has
represented any progress for the Kurds of Turkey. Hope it is the case
but I feel that it's mostly Turk propaganda.
I just recall that they wanted to gather a pan-Turk parlament in my
country a few years ago (a very symbolic act) for which the Basque
Atonomous Parlament offered its building. Turkey inmediately reacted
and managed to get the Spanish administraton to forbid it. I also
recall the case of Lajla Zana. And I recall the fear to speak about
their national issues of the Kurds of Istanbul in the early 90s.
There may be some progress but it is very recent and very limited as far as I know.
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iKurd
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Posted: 10-Jan-2006 at 11:24 |
erci
It seems the poor turks are victims of an evil kurdish conspiracy.
Here's some of those who complain (and it's not the guy standing).
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