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Sharrukin
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Topic: Egypt Origins Posted: 19-Aug-2005 at 09:45 |
Well, considering that most of the major artefacts are more than 3,000 years old, your guess was a safe one.
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Posted: 17-Sep-2005 at 01:54 |
A very mysterious thing is the origin of the Egyptions. Im not gonna take any guesses at it cause ill probly just make my self look like a moran.
This isnt a guess but just something i heard that probly isnt true at all. It is said that the Egyptians are decendents of the survivers of Atlantis. Did Atlantis really exist. There might have bin a island of the southern shore of Greece that was destroyed by a volcanic explosion or a large earth quake. It seems the Greek writer who wrote the story of Atlantis romanticized it to grand scale. So it seems that the Egyptians are not Atlantians
Other then that i have heard that the Egyptians are possibly related to the Phonicians. The only real way to figure the whole origin problems in history that is not recorded is either to look at langwage or as i have seen on tv a few times, to do a blood test of the population of the people in question and to also test the people they are believed to have come from. Altough maybe the original people the Egyptians came from all went to Egypt with them.
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Posted: 17-Sep-2005 at 05:29 |
Egypt:
Late Paleolithic: Aterian culture, like in the rest of North Africa, evolving independently in the late phase.
Neolithic: The following timeline is from Wikipedia:
- 9500 BC - (Neolithic) Sickle blades, world's earliest known (see Civilization)
- 8000 BC - early tribes migrate to the Nile, developing a settled agricultural economy and more centralized society
- 7th millennium BC - domesticated animals imported from Asia between 7500 and 4000 BC (see Sahara: History, Cattle period)
- 6000 BC - artwork of ships (see above, Late Lower Paleolithic)
- 5th millennium BC - foreign artifacts in the Badarian culture indicate contact with distant Syria [33]
- 5th millennium BC - furniture, tableware, models of rectangular houses, pots, vases, figurines, combs [34]
- 4500 BC - geometric designs adorning Naqada pottery [35]
- 4400 BC - finely woven linen fragment in the Al Fayyum [36]
- 4000 BC - Gerzean pottery hieroglyph writing, world's earliest known form [37]
- 4000 BC - Iron works (see Iron Age)
- 4000 BC - Mortar (masonry), world's earliest known
- 4000 BC - Alchemy (see Alchemy in Ancient Egypt)
- 3500 BC - Faience, world's earliest known
Probably this chronology can be disputed, as Egyptian pre-Dynastical
archaeology has too may blanks. In any case they didn't use iron till
the Assyrian invasion, or so I've read.
It seems that at that time the North Africans were influenced by
Nilotics from Nubia and the Near East. Some of the iconography of the
first pharaohs could link the origins of monarchy to Sumer... somehow.
Atlantis has nothing to do: Egyptians weren't any good sailors, they
just trasmitted the legend, or so it seems if you follow Plato.
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Posted: 11-Oct-2005 at 11:37 |
this is not academic site
and egypt origin is african u.s universitiy found and discovery chanel say african origin everything is not irans
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Posted: 11-Oct-2005 at 12:40 |
Originally posted by merced12
this is not academic site
and egypt origin is african u.s universitiy found and discovery chanel say african origin everything is not irans
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Who said that everything is irans?
African origin: that may be, but what does that mean? African does not necessarily mean black, the way we seem to instantly associate it. The North African indigenous population that eventually composed Egypt probably resembled the Berbers a lot more than they did say someone from Senegal.
as for your comments about Wikipedia not being an academic site: Maju did express some doubt as to its validity. In any case, can you provide some better academic links?
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Posted: 12-Oct-2005 at 09:43 |
Hamatic = Berber (and others) no?
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Posted: 12-Oct-2005 at 11:03 |
"Hamitic" means a subgroup of languages within Afro-Asiatic (originally "Hamito-Semitic") comprising northern and northeastern African languages including Berber, Egyptian, and Cush*tic.
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Posted: 12-Oct-2005 at 13:13 |
Originally posted by Sharrukin
"Hamitic" means a subgroup of languages within
Afro-Asiatic (originally "Hamito-Semitic") comprising northern and
northeastern African languages including Berber, Egyptian, and
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Kush*tic is Hamitic? I though it belonged to the Nilo-Saharian group. It seems I was wrong.
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Posted: 14-Oct-2005 at 22:40 |
I think Egypt Belongs Iran, i do not sure, but I think so, But Nubia not
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Posted: 15-Oct-2005 at 03:12 |
At one time the Persian kings did conquer Egypt (525 BC) but natural barriers thwarted the Persians from conquering Kush.
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Posted: 15-Oct-2005 at 04:35 |
Assyrians, Persians, Greeks, Romans and Arabs succesively dominated
Egypt. But that doesn't mean that Egypt "belongs" to anyone. Egypt has
a long history that pre-dates all the above mentioned nations and has a
clearly diferent personality. If anything one could accept that
modernly is rather Arab... but Persian? No way.
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Posted: 15-Oct-2005 at 20:31 |
I know, thank u, i was just kidding
i think It was Ciris defeated Greek army and Conquered Egypt
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Posted: 16-Oct-2005 at 05:27 |
Originally posted by Janissary
I know, thank u, i was just kidding
i think It was Ciris defeated Greek army and Conquered Egypt
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Unlikely to be so! It was Cyrus son, Cambyses who conquered Egypt and i dont recall defeating any Greek army.
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Posted: 17-Oct-2005 at 11:28 |
Concerning Greeks, what Cyrus did was conquer the Greeks of Asia Minor.
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Posted: 25-Oct-2005 at 09:29 |
Originally posted by Sharrukin
Concerning Greeks, what Cyrus did was conquer the Greeks of Asia Minor. |
n Persians under Cyrus defeat Medes.
n Cyrus used giant square, departing from standard tactics of the day
n Lured Medes into the squares flanks, then attacked the gaps in the hinges of their opponents formation.
n Cyrus considered first Great Captain.
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Posted: 25-Oct-2005 at 10:32 |
I have something to say.I had a Cameroonian roomate n asked him this question.He smiled n said "Egypt.That is the place where White man stole civilization from Black man".
I guess this issue is similar to the AIT.Racist Whites claim only the white race has the genius to create n sustain civilization.They find it difficult to accept that dark-skinned people could have achieved great things in the past.Kid is correct when he says that western ideas of beauty r being imposed globally.
I guess it all boils down to purchasing power.Whites today have more purchasing power than other races.Though as another participant pointed out it is debatable whether such a race actually exists.I remember as a child I used to hear BBC radio n on one program which was on European Unification the anchor said there r advertisements in the Nordic countries which ask listeners "Would u like ur daughter to marry a Sicilian"?
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Posted: 26-Oct-2005 at 04:37 |
katulakatula,
I think Egypt was a real melting pot, gathering and mixing people from Sudan, the Desert, the Arabian peninsula, Palestine and all over the Med Sea.
The First Egyptian DYNASTIES spawned between Egypt and Sudan, near Assuan, were i believe African, by that i mean black skin. The later Dynasties - by the Nile Delta - that created the Pyramids, the Sphinx, the monuments at Memphis and Luxor were much more evolved than the first ones.
At this time the African-Egyptians were already mixed with other populations.
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Posted: 26-Oct-2005 at 05:21 |
Originally posted by Aeolus
Originally posted by Janissary
I know, thank u, i was just kidding
i think It was Ciris defeated Greek army and Conquered Egypt
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Unlikely to be so! It was Cyrus son, Cambyses who conquered Egypt and i dont recall defeating any Greek army.
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I assume the little troll (as always, mixing and matching epochs, people and incidents) refers to the force of 4.000 Athenian fighting alongside the Egyptians against Persia.
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Posted: 26-Oct-2005 at 09:31 |
The first egyptian dynasties hailed from Hierakonpolis, whose patron deity was Horus, hence we know the names of the earliest kings by their Horus-names. They then moved their capital to Abydos at which time they conquered the Delta and unified Egypt. It was either Menes or one of his descendants who made Memphis the new capital at base of the Delta.
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Posted: 26-Oct-2005 at 10:52 |
The unifying of Upper and Lower Egypt into a single kingdom is the event pointed to by the ancient Egyptians themselves as the beginning of their civilization.
Lower Egypt is roughly the broad delta of the river, where it separates into many branches before flowing into the Mediterranean. Upper Egypt is the long main channel of the river itself, possibly as far upstream as boats can reach - to the first waterfall or cataract, at Aswan.
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Egyptian tradition credits the uniting of Upper and Lower Egypt to a king called Menes. But that is merely a word meaning 'founder'. It is possible that the real historical figure is a ruler by the name of Narmer, who features in warlike mood on an early slate plaque.
Whatever the name, the first historical dynasty is brought into being by the king or pharaoh who in about 3100 BC establishes control over the whole navigable length of the Nile. His is the first of thirty Egyptian dynasties, spanning nearly three millennia - an example of social continuity rivalled in human history only by China.
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penWindow('treasure','/images/imagepopup.asp?No5=41&Id5= xabi')"> In the early centuries, and again in the closing stages of ancient Egypt, the capital is at Memphis, near modern-day Cairo. But at the peak of Egyptian power, during the period from about 2000 to 1200 BC, the city of Thebes - several hundred kilometres up the Nile - is a place of greater importance.
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