health/wellbeing help

Thanks if genuine but

Something is not right, why would they put the crap in the water and then they sell filters so easily?
Blond & blue eyed [Roman] woman picture?

If there was a filter or solution that was proven & trustworthy and that i was able to do then of course i would jump at it, but if people can be so evil to do what they do to the water then how can i know who can and can't be trusted?

I was told that only two types of filters here take the stuff out: reverse osmosis, and selective ion exchange resin, and that all the other cheap ones are a hoax; and that there are no manual filters, they have to be plumbed in by a plumber.
I see that the pitcher site says ion exchange but i have no trustworthy  expert proof that it will take out the bad things, and not take out the good things, and that it won't put in bad things (like bpa, endocrine disruptors from pet(e) #1, etc).
Filtering water is dangerous without expert knowledge and good diet/nutrition.

They don't say what the material resin number is. They don't say how long it takes (i use at least 2 litres of water a day for cooking).
I am in NZ and is not easy for me to order overseas things. No one here will help me with getting anything.

Another problem is what about new filter parts every so many weeks/months? The filter has to be replaced every so many weeks/months. I'm damned if i am gong to keep ordering new filter part from overseas.

Why should we have to filter out what they are putting in? Why don't they just not put the crap in or why don't they filter it out themselves?
If every one is able to have a filter then why bother putting the crap in the water in the first place?

Everyone is just going along with the criminal regime, letting them get away with it.
Filters are just the regimes cunning excuse to continue to keep getting away with their Crimes.

I have made new historical etc discoveries but I am not giving away any more of my discoveries for free until i have a contract for clean water for the next 10+ years.



Edited by Arthur-Robin - 15-Sep-2016 at 20:31

Local tap water ingredients form the authorities own mouths:

"We use the following chemicals during the treatment process at our Te Marua Water Treatment Plant:
- Carbon dioxide (CO2)
- Lime (Ca(OH)2)
- Polyaluminium chloride (Al2(SO4)3.18H2O) [Alum?]
- Polyelectrolyte
We also dose the following into the treated water:
- Sodium hydroxide (NaOH) [caustic soda]
- Sodium hypochlorite (NaOCl)
- Chlorine gas (Cl2)
- Fluoride (Na2SiF6)"

I only have 25 litres of clean water left. No one local cares or will help, they all blame me because it is not possible to have water filter in this place (due to problems with all the plumbing here, etc).
My wasted "life" be on heads of everyone that didn't care

From quick research it looks like chlorine/chloride used in water also has some health
concerns.

"dangers of chlorine in water"

"Health Effects of Chlorine in Drinking Water
www.pure-earth.com/chlorine.html

"The chlorine used to reduce the risk of infectious disease may account
for a substantial portion of the cancer risk associated with drinking
water."

"Dr. Ralph explains how the chlorine in your tap water may be causing
other problems."

"Chlorine's Adverse Health Effects"

"chlorination seems at first to to be a totally safe, and completely
attractive alternative."

"Chlorine by-products in drinking water or in water vapour from
showers and swimming pools can increase cancer risk."

"Ironically, even the chlorine widely used to disinfect water produces
Carcinogenic traces."

"Well water for drinking should be tested for arsenic after shock
chlorination to make sure the arsenic concentration is at a safe level
...."

"Risks associated with chlorination - Research Showcase ..."
"chlorinated drinking water, however studies evaluating the
carcinogenicity of ..."

"There is also a link between long-term exposure to high levels of
chlorinated water and some kinds of ..."

The  cancer/carcinogenic bits make me wonder about how so many men get prostate cancer.

This was interesting alternative:

"[The Dutch secret: how to provide safe drinking water without chlorine:]"
http://www.drink-water-eng-sci.net/2/1/2009/dwes-2-1-2009.pdf

Looks like it is another case of modern humans trying to use quick
and easy "science" instead of real natural/biblical cleanliness.

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I'll just post the other sides chlorination for peoples info/interest.

"Add 16 drops of liquid chlorine bleach per gallon of water, or 8
drops per 2-liter bottle of water. Stir to mix. Sodium hypochlorite of
the concentration of 5.25% to 6% should be the only active ingredient
in the bleach."
http://www.redcross.org/prepare/disaster/water-safety/water-treatment
(The smells actually seems suspicous to me. I don't trust them.)

en.hesperian.org/.../A_Community_Guide_to_Environmental_Health:Make_Water_Safe_To_Drink

"Add 8 drops (almost one-eighth U.S. teaspoon) of regular liquid
bleach per one gallon of water to be treated. "
"The maximum safe level for drinking water according to the EPA is 4
ppm (parts per million)." / "The EPA recommends a maximum (no more
than) 4 ppm (parts per million) of chlorine for safe drinking water."
"It takes 45 minutes to destroy Giardia Protozoan (common cause of
diarrhea) with 1 ppm chlorine level."
"Add 1/8 teaspoon (or 8 drops; about 0.625 milliliters) of unscented
liquid household chlorine (5–6%) bleach for each gallon of clear water
(or 2 drops of bleach for each liter or each quart of clear water)."
http://modernsurvivalblog.com/health/make-drinking-water-safe-with-bleach/

"half a teaspoon of plain household bleach added to 10 litres"
https://www.healthed.govt.nz/resource/water-collection-tanks-and-safe-household-water

"An ideal system supplies free chlorine at a concentration of 0.3-0.5 mg/l."
"Superchlorination provides a chlorine residual of 3.0-5.0 mg/l, 10
times the recommended minimum breakpoint chlorine concentration."
"Maintain a free chlorine residual of 0.3-0.5 mg/l after a 10-minute
contact time."
http://www.water-research.net/index.php/water-treatment/tools/chlorination-of-water

"1 Gallon water is disinfected by 8-16 drops of regular household
bleach (visually about 1/4 of a teaspoon).... One teaspoon will
disinfect 5 gallons. .... 1 Oz. bleach per 200 gallons or 5 Oz. bleach
per 1000 gallons."
http://www.newjerusalem.com/PureWater.htm (the NJ makes me suspicious
of Vatican connnection.)

I once tried to find safe natural disinfectants
on wikipedia but it seemed most had health hazards. (Theres hyssop but it costs like gold  just for piddly little bottle, and it is apparently no good for internal. Oregano has anti-bacterial but how do we get unsprayed (not necessarily "organic") herbs etc if we can't have a garden?)

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On the importance of water (and plumbling) chemical & biological safety:

"run cold water for a few minutes (15 minutes) to clear the lines;"

Quote "Water. We can’t live without it. Not for long – only about 3 days. In
fact, water is the one thing that we need the most, to survive."

[This is what i have been saying but no one cares or listens. Instead
everyone seems to be trying their best to poison our water. The bible
says the same. But no one believes me.]



Edited by Arthur-Robin - 16-May-2016 at 04:16

Oh dear..

My Fluoride Paper above was a serious attempt at producing a top quality and quality academic-like Paper not a litany, same with the other posts.

There were things in past years/decades/centuries that they admantly/authotitatively thought were good/right / bad/wrong and they have since been proven wrong/bad / right/good.

You attack me personally but i hardly attacked you personally.
I didn't post here to be insulted.

I don't think my posts are that disorganised/disordered. It is true that i am not a  great writer or the most organised/ordered poster, but that doesn't Prove that anything of mine is wrong. Maybe part the reason why i am disordered/disorganised is because it is effect of poisons and other bad things forced on me the last 3 months, and because of the immense pressure of the last 3 months and of having to write about the things.

I am suffering things here like the fluoridated water, sprayed food, door lock picked, etc and no one will believe me or do anything. No one cares because it is me that is suffering the poison etc. It is not needlessly fearful. I have to find a way to get clean water etc or i continue to get worse.

All i asking is not to be (subtly) *forced* to eat/drink fluoridated water but to have a free, fair and equal choice acces to clean water. Same with veges, fruit, etc, all i ask is to have unsprayed (not necessarily "organic") veges/fruit (since i am not able tohave a garden here). People have no right to force and to say i have to believe what they say.

Many people do know, but many others deny it or refuse to do anything about it.

Just today i possibly had burning mouth/tongue/throat from sprayed veges becaue i didn't rinse them. Iwish i could do a scientific test to prove if there is harmful spray on the broccoli etc but i can't. It is impossible to wash/rinse everything (because tedious/impossible to wash every milli meter, because no clean running water, etc).

No one else here in NZ has come up with any answer/s that work for me.

I know what things seem good/bad for me better than others, and better than even at least some "professionals".

It is not fair that we can't just eat/do what we want without suffering consequences (eat fat/salt/cheese, not rinse (sprayed) food, exercise, etc), while on the other hand i have to accept bad things forced on me (sprayed food, fluoridated water, etc) (and God doesn't protect me from them or punish them). (And the latter do definitely badly effect me just as much as the former do.)

All i want is clean water & unsprayed food, to have a wife and be able to do my studies in peace and quiet and privacy and security (and to be able to go to UK or Israel someday). If they allow that i will not post anything anywhere anymore except possibly any interesting historical discoveries i wish to share, they can continue to rule the world for all i care. (Though i may have to not not care about others.)

I  have to stop posting now as spending too much time almost all day for days at computer is also bad for my health (its all their fault, first the virus attack on 23rd dec, then the 8 weeks delay until got pc back, then the locks picking, the continued water fluoridation, the locksmiths refusing to do my locks, the sprayed food, etc all from 24 dec to present (excluding previous years (and years) wrongs done to me)). Anything i am not able to answer can't be considered dis/proof against me unless i am able to.

TV or radio must be the way to go to get the Fluoride Paper info out there (since people are not readers and i aren't a great writer)?! But how?



Edited by Arthur-Robin - 31-Mar-2016 at 21:17

Thanks Red.
I have said in my last post above why i personally am not able to do that or any  filter here. And have answered the tooth decay thing in there too. How do you[s] get the goo nutrients that it takes out?
I  guess the problem is that most people are not readers (and i aren't a goodwriter. All the answer is in that post/paper, the issue is how to get it into many peoples knowledge (court case? newspapers? video? speech/lecture? posters/stickers? repetition? book?).


I should have included a statement in that post/paper above that i know that some possible evidences i listed may possibly be wrong, but not all the things i listed are wrong (and not everything the other/orthodox side claims are right). The answer to their claimed need to fluoridate is definitely right not wrong though. AS they are refusing to stop after we have smashed it means they are either purposely doing it or else refuse to address the root issues that we pointed out, or are blinded by unopen unobjective consideration just because we are a lay person.

Also this quote about water (which seems to have been deleted from my hdd in computer shop repairs?)
"Would you believe it, though water is to be had in abundance in London, and of fairly good quality, absolutely none is drunk? The lower classes, even the paupers, do not know what it is to quench their thirst with water. In this contry nothing but beer is drunk, and it is made in several qualities. Small beer is what everyone drinks when thristy; it is used even in  the best houses, and costs one penny the pot. Another kind of beer is called porter, meaning carrier, becaue the greater quanitity of this beer is consumed by the working classes. .... In London there are a number of alehouses, where nothing but htis sort of beer is sold." - Cesare de Saussure, 1730.

No one cares. No one is dong anything about it just forcing individualistic "solutions" or forcing us to have to eat/drink the harmful aqua-tofana / wormwood-water.
How many more wasted lives/body-parts? The only reason it is "out of our control" is because everyone keeps saying that. "No fate but what we make" - "Sarah Connor".
"Think!" - TR Welling.

So the pro-fluoridationists are experts/professionals and we are needlessly worried are we?

Here is my latest rewriting of my Water versus Fluoride Paper which smashes their lying claims to pieces:


Water versus Fluoride.

Contents.
- Fluoridation "safe"?
- Fluoridation "a supplement, not a medication?
- Fluoridation "beneficial/effective"?
- "Range of measures to easily avoid fluoridated water"?
- Fluoridation a "conspiracy" or "conspiracy theory"?
- "Peer-reviewed references"?

Water fluoridation is not the most "safe" solution (nor "scientific/health professionals/peer-reviewed/monitored"), and it is not true that the fluoride "dis-associates" in the water:
- Unfortunately the only way to stop the criminals fluoridating is for us to have to prove it is harmful. It is wrong but they force it to be so. It is just a clever diverting and stalling/delaying/prolonging tactic. They divert the issue away from the real root issue to falsely all just being one about "science" and "proof harmful". The problem is that most of us are not scientists and so we don't have the time and training etc to provide accepitible-to-them proof.
Although we can't absolutely prove it is harmful, we can give plenty of evidence(s) that it is not safe and/or does seem to be harmful to health &/or ability.
- Natural water & natural fluoride are best/better. It is safer to not fluoridate water. The risks & side-effects outweigh any alledged "benefit".
Compare: "This park contains fresh/clean air please don't smoke in it" - Upper Hutt city council park sign.
- Where is their (objective/independent) proof (to the same highest maximum "standards" that they demand of us for our theses/papers) that fluoridation is not harmful (despite their lying claims to contrary)? They haven't shown us any/many studies, just claimed it.
- Why are we more lucid in mornings after sleeping and when not eaten or drunk for hours?
- Why do children/young people/teens seem to me to have more mental ability and adults seem to have less (after longer number of years on fluoridated water)?
- Why have mainland Europe except British isles stopped/banned fluoridation? NZ is visbily/audibly way behind Europe & Russia in ability. Does stuck-up small NZ think we know better than them?
- Why did the USA lower the level of fluoride they add a couple of years ago? Does stuck-up small NZ think we know better than them?
- Why are their so many bald men (& some women) in NZ/Greater Wellington? Mine seemingly got worse on fluoridated water and less worse off fluoridated water. Mass balding of many men in wellington/nz proves there are toxins (fluoridated water, sprayed food, salt, etc). (Eg bald industrial scientists?) [Via harming thyroid/pituitary/endocrine and growth/development?]
- Why are there so many older men with prostate cancer? (Though could be either water fluoridation, sprayed food, radiation, etc. It is not just longevity.)
- Why are there so many older people with MS/ME (in electric wheelchairs)? Some studies show that fluoride/fluoridation is connected with ms/me. (Fluoride & Alluminium crosses brain blood barrier?)
- They can not control/monitor the intake/dosage of water/fluoride. Water is an essential necessity of life (including for drinking, cooking/eating, rinsing, washing/cleanliness), we are constantly in-taking water (& fluoride) every day. We all have different situations some of us are more vulnerable. Some of us have higher water intake; some of us have smaller body sizes. No one should be allowed to so causually mess around with water.
 Bible prophecy talks about "wormwood/bitter" water and "blood" water.
 Fluoridated water gets in everything: drinking, rinsing, cooking, garden, clothes washing, showering/bathing, etc.
It is not very possible/easy or it is very difficult to detox from fluoride esp while still being dosed everytime we eat/drink/wash.
"Exposure to toxic substances can kill you, slowly" - environmental protection agency web/net advert, 31 mar 2014.
"Modern nutritionists, however, are beginning to be concerned with 2 more kinds of nutritional disorders; and although the study of both kinds is in its infancy, both will be introduced in this account. The first deals with the effects of comparatively small amounts of harmful constituents in our diet, introdcued either voluntarily or involuntarily, and consimed for a long period of time...." - Pears Cyclopedia, 1988.
- Some people have sensitivity/allergy.
- Fluoridationists claim that "there is varying levels of fluoride in all water" making out false evidence that they are right and we wrong. However, the fluoride you put in our water is not the same compound and dosage/level as the fluoride that is naturally already in water. It is said that the amount they add is higher than the safe or necessary level/amount (3 ppm or something).
- Where are the  individual Drs diagnosises and prescriptions and monitoring? It is illegal to issue medications without labels. People are not even told/informed (i never knew until i fasted for 3 days and later someone told me that UH water is fluoridated, though i certainly knew before then that i was suffering from something/s here, and know from experiences since, etc). We aren't being given all the information on ingredients, side-effects, risks, and all other possible alternative options (as to whether it is really the only/best option for us or not).
- The packaging labels of the fluoride they add to our water says "hazchem", "danger", "poison", "toxic".
- My own multiple experiences prove to me beyond doubt that  i am more worse health/ability on fluoridated water (and/or toothpaste) and less worse off fluoridated water.
 People commented to me that i looked better etc after i stopped fluoridated water, removed mercury fillings, etc. I sleep better on artesian water and worse on fluoridated/bottled water. I made my 12 battles sites of "(King) Arthur" discovery after being on artesian water for months (wasn't able to for years before that). Weeks after i stopped i won 2 games of Rubicon while others kept missing moves as i used to. I noticed that fluoridated tooth paste seemed to make me dumb during the day.
(Things i have suffered on fluoridated water include  balding, lower mental ability, mental fogginess/slowness/dumbness, clumsy, sleep worse, tinnitis  (ringing in ears) & humming in head, skin problems, prostate, thyroid worries, dry/dehydrated mouth, worse ocd, no dreams or stupid dreams, etc, though some may also/alternatively be due to other things).
- Go take a look and see the visible difference between unfluoridated Petone shops (& houses) and the rest of the fluoridated Porirua/Wellington/Hutt region (and it is not just because of the beach or business). (Same with Greytown?)
- Go look at pictures and biographies of people before 1940s.
- Why do Nigerian scammers and Russian scammers seem to me to have more high ability than Westerners? (I am only refering to some things not all things of theirs that I have seen/read.)
- Fluoride is proven to cause thyroid/carotid problems in many people.
- Fluoridated water is proven to harm horses.
- It is illegal to dump the fluoride that they add to our water in the sea.
- Where is the national referendum/polls/surveys/submissions? Where is the equal media to both sides?
- There are many professionals/Drs/dentists who are "anti" not pro fluoridation.
"More than 4,200 health and science professionals  have signed the Professionals' Statement calling for  an end to Water Fluoridation."
- It is not just the fluoride, they also add alluminium, sodium. Some things are harmful in combination (like fluoride and alluminium/lead/cadmium?)
- It is said that the nazis used fluoride in concentration camps.
- Fluoridated water is biblically "unclean".
- If the poison in our water was able to be seen or tasted or smelt people would object, but because fluoride is invisible/tastless/odorless no one cares (though its effects are visible to those with objective/honest eyes/ears/brains/hearts/bowels/"guts").
Some people have said to me the Upper Hutt water is sh*t.
- Fluoridation is also harmful to the environment esp as most of the fluoridated water is not drunk but goes to waste (toilet, shower, watering gardens, washing, etc).
- Pets & pot plants also seemingly suffer effects of fluoridation.
- "One man's nectar is another mans poison".
- Dental/skeletal fluorosis.
-  Fluoride is a "neurotoxin".
- It is not "safe" that  the government made it law that they don't have to say on bottled water labels whether is/isn't fluoridated (and/or naturally high in fluoride).
- Yous have limited/remove my own choice to do or not do what is best for my health/ability.
- "A quarter of NZ youth experience a mental illness by age 15".
"We have approximately 420 clients on our books currently  and around 11 new referrals every week." (- Local cmht leader.)
"There has been a significant increase in mental health diagnoses, particularly under the heading of “anxiety.”" (- NZ, Jan 2013.)
"10% of NZers are medicated...."
"1 in 3 NZers suffer [mental health issues] at some point in life" [- mental health week promo?]
"30% of NZers/Wellingtonians over 20 are singles" - sarc.
"Heart disease is NZ's biggest killer".
- Some people have claimed that "we are all getting smarter [despite fluoridation]". But this is an evolutionist falsehood because humans have always been smart. My iq was better after stopping. Alot of people i see/hear don't seem very high iq.  People don't have very great iq if they can't see the obvious that fluoridation is harmful. People's iq could be even higher if not fluoridate. UK studies showed civil servants suffering from poor memory mental abilities.
- It is proven fact that fluoride effects, or deposits in, or causes deposits in the heart, prostate, joints, pineal gland, kidney, [thalamus,] carotid, [pituitary,] thyroid, etc.
- According to science/reference books etc the element Fluorine &/or the compound Fluoride is one of the most reactive/volatile elements/compounds. ["Most reactive element known", "vigorous oxidizing agent" etc.] In the same column of periodic table as chlorine and bromine and iodine.
"Fluoride is classed in the same group of toxins as arsenic, mercury and paraquat".
- The fluoride they add to our water is/was used as a (rat) poison/pesticide.
- "Effects of fluoride on mice alarming".
- "Fluoride spill eats concrete".
- "Fluoride causes cancer".
- I'm often/always hearing ambulance sirens around here.
- All through world and history the answer to avoiding poison is that the people who offer us food/water have to partake of it first and equally (or food/drink tasters).


Fluoride is not just a "supplement" (and "not a medication"):
- Water is an essential necessity of life, it is not very easy to avoid fluoridated water. We are constantly intaking water & fluoride every day, they/we can not control the intake/dosage of water/fluoride. Whereas other supplements are far easier to avoid (iodised salt, the supplement now added to bread since a year or so ago).
- They similarily use mental health medications as an easy individualistic answer to mental health issues. The 7th (present) Laodiceans church (age) in bible were a centre of Asclepius god of medicine worship. Bible prophecy talks of "wormwood" water.
- Fluorine is in same column of periodic table as iodine which was once considered the "universal panacea".


Fluoridation is not the only most "effective" "beneficial" solution (nor "scientific/health professionals/peer-reviewed/monitored"):
- There are no scientific sources that evidence any benefit of fluoride other than a lttile bit for teeth (& a little bit for bones, though they don't claim to be doing it for bones).
Fluoridation doesn't stop tooth decay just possibly/allegedly slightly/partially reduces/remedies it.
- Even if fluoridation is possibly slightly effective/beneficial it doesn't mean its the only or best way, or that the benefit outweighs risks/side-effects.
Tooth decay is one of the consequences of the fall. The real root issue is the claim that fluoridation is necessary because it is supposedly the only best "cheap, safe, effective" solution to "increased incidence of disadvantaged childrens tooth decay in urban areas".
Humans are always trying to find easy "science" ways of getting around consequences of sin/bad lifestyle. Pro-Fluoridationist Dentists are specialists and do not have a holistic view of the cultural/social issues surrounding tooth decay.
There is no need to fluoridate water if they addressed the cultural/social lifestyle issues of oral cleanliness/hygene, sugar, diet (nutrition), diet ((processed) carbs), and socio-economic inequalities/disadvantages. (So the "benefit" of fluoridation argument is not valid.) Thus the only best answer is addressing the root issues, not mis-using "science" as an easy-answer (for-some, despite the risks/sideffects).
We are not given all other possible alternative options (as to whether it is really the only/best option for us or not.
- Sugar. Before you force fluoride on us first stop the food businesses heaping sugar in our foods & drinks. (Look at things like wheatbix, cornflakes, biscuits, tomato sauce, etc they are full of sugar. Ingredients lists are in order of amount, so when sugar is listed first/second/third it means alot.) 'That Sugar Book' newspaper review said "we all know that sugar is the new crack cocaine. "... 2 cups of brown sugar..." - a typical 'Edmonds Cookbook' recipe.  Where is the communal/business/individual responsibility?
 Fluoridation doesn't also stop diabetes does it? So the sugar is still a problem that has to be admitted/faced/confronted/resolved.
- Oral/dental Cleanliness/hygene. One of the major causes/exaserbators of tooth decay is bacteria. I stopped brushing my teeth and/but my teeth got worse despite still being on fluoridated water. When i was a child i had four holes in teeth until foster parents taught me to brush my teeth properly. Sedgeford Archaeological Society paper said Anglo-Saxon teeth health/state is due to cleanliness & diet. So the saying "oral health on tap" is a moronic lie. How can they substitute real hygiene or put hygiene on tap? (Fluoridation doesn't make us more hygenic/clean.) Where is the individual responsibility? Are NZers unclean? Most/many people already brush their teeth with fluoridated toothpaste every morning/evening anyway.
Life-experienced people know that we have to take care of things like machinery, weapons, etc.
"Take care of those teeth" (- wapf).
 Fluoridation causes dry/dehydrated mouth which is not good for teeth health.
- Diet ((processed) carbs). When i was often having flour poridge my teeth got worse because it sticks to teeth.
- Nutrition (incl vit D, calcium, natural fluoride, etc). We people can already get natural/supplementary fluoride from tooth paste, the natural fluoride already in all water in varying degrees, naturally high fluoride spring water, tea, fluoridated bottled water, tablets, fluoxetine [prosac?], silorane fillings glue, fluoridated salt/milk, high fluoride foods like gelatine? soy? dolomite powder? etc. Topical fluoride is said to be more effective than food/drink/digestively induced/ingested fluoride.
- don't snack between meals (increases acid around teeth).
- Socio-economic disadvantages/inequalities.
- Some scientific studies found that milk helps protect or is good for teeth  (the study said that they don't know why).
- "Banyan & Margosa are good for teeth...." - Tamil proverb.
-  It is a hypocritical contradiction to only fluoridate some places/people (half the settlements in NZ & in Israel). If it is so beneficial/good/right then why are some people  allowed to avoid it while others aren't?  (Places that don't fluoridate include Petone, Korokoro, Greytown, Chch, farmers, people with filters, people who get artesian water, mainland Europe, etc. Places that fluoridate include Upper Hutt, Lower Hutt, Porirua, Wellington, Masterton, Auckland, Tokoroa, NZ, UK, Eire, Israel, RSA, USA, Turkey.) If they are so "scientific"/right then why is Petone/Korokoro allowed to be unfluoridated for mere "historical" reasons (past activists)?
- The MoH's own study a couple of years ago of rural children in Wairarapa proved that they had better teeth than fluoridated urban children (and the Wairapa ones are on unfluoridated water, lower sugar diet, better nutrition, etc).
 I lived in a semi-rural place with a bore for 7 years and my teeth did not at all suffer because lack of fluoridated water.
- A friend of mine said she stopped eating foods with more than [10/20/30%?] sugar, and she brushes/floses her teeth once/twice a day, and has yearly dental checkups, and that since then has had "no new holes for [10?] years".
Another friend said she had fluoride treatments when younger but still ended up with a mouthful of fillings.
- Why did the USA lower the level of fluoride that they add just a couple of years ago?
- They can coat children's teeth with that new substance they found/invented awhile ago.
- Fluoridation did not stop my mothers dog from loosing all but a few of its teeth?
- A friend of mine said he was looking at humans in Christ's/Roman times and was surprised that they all had good teeth.
- It is said that the Maoris had good teeth before modern western diet/lifestyle.
Some native peoples have and/or some ancient peoples had good teeth and some bad teeth. The issue seems to be diet and cleanliness.
- The fluoridation arguement is mainly based on some old studies from the 1940s. Some more recent studies show that fluoridated areas don't necessarily have any less tooth decay than unfluoridated areas, &/or unfluoridated areas don't necessarily have any much more tooth decay than fluoridated areas.
- Natural is best.
- "Prevention is better than cure".
Either the authorities are imcompetant/poisoned/false-beliefs or they are lying/conspirators (or self-interested/lazy/irresponsible/wrong-priorities).


There is no "range of measures to easily avoid fluoridated water":
The South Taranaki court case untruly & unfairly claimed that we are not forced because supposedly
"an individual has the ability not to consume fluoridated water" / "no one is compelled to consume the water" / "a citizen has the choice of supplying their own drinking water or filtering" /  "no obligation to consume the fluoridated water" / "the city is not compelling [anyone] to drink it... .... His freedom to choose not to ingest it...." ; "a range of measures we can employ to avoid ingesting fluoridated water" / "He is free to filter it, boil it, mix it with purifying spirits, purchase bottled water." /  "easily filtered out by an end user", and that the council's responsibility ends at the toby/tap.
Well, Mr advantaged/rich/healthy Judge & lawyers & councillors, etc, some of us are disadvantaged having worse sitiuations and conditions than you lying morons or crooks claim and the "range of measures" and its not so free/easy as you make out, and so you are effectively forcing us with an invisible gun pointed at our head. (Especially since we were never even told.)
"Burdening people with heavy burdens that they won't even touch with little finger/barge-pole."
"Freedom to starve" - German farmer.
 (They/you[s] are not "leveling (dental) inequalities", you have just used existing inequalities as an excuse to make even more artificial inequalities. Yous are most hurting, not helping disadvantaged like me).
Everyone keeps looking for every possible ridiculous hyper-individualistic "answer/solution".
- Clean running home/work tap water is one of the most important unavoidable essential necessities of human life (esp for disadvantaged and students like me), i can not live for mor than 3 days without water (& food) or i will die (and even those 3 days are miserable suffering).
 In the 42 negative confessions of ancient Egyptians, number 35 is "i have not fouled running water".
 Clean running water was/is important in Mosaic cleanliness laws.
 "The Greeks built fountains in their towns and along the roadside."
 "In Roman great attention was paid to fountains. When Agrippa reorganised the water supply of the city under Augustus, he restored 700 fountains, decorating 400 with marble columns and 300 with statues."
 "Blessed are they that give even a cup of  [clean] water to one in my name" (Bible).
 The bible talks about 1/3rd world dying from wormwood-water / blood-water.
 "Houses in my village don't have running water, but there is a well which has clean, pure running water, and was built with money earned by selling fair trade cocoa beans. There were big problems with the old well - some people in my village were even poisoned when chemicals from a gold mine got into it! Plus, we used to have to walk 9 kms to collect water and carry it back in a bucket on our heads. Now the well is less than a km away, and everyone's delighted. It's not as easy as turning on a tap...." Ama Swerwaa.
["The brain is 90 percent water" / "brain 75% water, blood 83% water, bones 22% water, muscle 75% water".]
- I can not just eat/drink your sh*t water. There is no doubt from multiple controled-as-possible experiences that your water harms/hinders my mental/physical health/ability. Plus i also get too angry (and damage things) when eating/drinking it.
I can not just have to have Faith that "God" will protect me from poison like it says in the verse about poison in last chapert of Mark) because it doesn't work unless faith without wavering, and it hasn't worked for me nor for others as far as i can see. The last chapter of Mark may be spurious (and Mark was to Romans). The bible says not to judge anyone what they can/can't/do/don't eat/drink themselves.
Bible also says to be as wise as serpents.
Bible also says 1/3rd of all water of world's water would become wormwood/"bitter"/blood and many would die from it.
It was seemingly God that told/revealed to me about the fluoride and mercury fillings and other things that i was suffering from.
- It is not very easy or possible to have a water filter here for various reasons inlcuding plumbing problems in 5 unit block company share flat. There are no manual filters, only ones that have to be plumbed in to the running taps. Only 2 filters take the fluoride out (reverse osmosis and selective ion exchange resin), all the others are hoaxes, and we have to trust they really do too (as it takes time & control/elimination to know). It is dangerous to filter water without expert knowledge and decent diet, since filters can take other nutrients out and/or put harmful chemical/biological in the water. Some filters are slow (eg "The only thing is the  flow is only 2 lpm, so may be a little slow but we can adjust the  divertor to make stay open and you wouldn't have to keep holding the rod  out.") It costs alot to replace filter parts (refil cartridges / filter screen replacement $75.00 plus gst every 6 months, one off price of $159.00 plus gst). have to have more than one filter for kithcen, bathroom. If everyone is just going to "easily" filter/etc then why do they bother putting the stuff in?
- Distillling water is also not good, aside from the electricity costs.
- Atmosh also no good. Possibly one like the ones they have in Africa might be alright, but i don't know if or how we can find out and/or get one.
- Boiling/freezing it doesn't get the fluoride and alluminium out.
- I can not get bottled water. The government made it law that bottled water doesn't have to say on labels whether is/isn't fluoridated. They mostly all come in pet(e) #1 which has endocrine disruptors (and some are dyed). They mostly all too small bottles, and i have no one to deliver, and/or to take away empty bottles (i don't have a recycling bin and even if i did it is a hell of alot of trouble, i'm not allowed to put home rubbish in rubbish bin by dairy). It costs money, and is alot of hastle every 1-2 weeks. Some spring  water is naturally high in fluoride (eg "mineral water may contain higher fluoride than other natural NZ water").
 Tonagriro water seems to have something/s wrong with it. I have tried it and it effects me almost as bad as if not worse than the tap water (compared to Petone water).
We don't know where the water has been.
 It is still a hastle to have to get out to shops or order from shops.
 I don't have a car. How can i carry bottles of water by hand/foot/trolley? It is hard enough carrying a weeks groceries.
The only other water is signature range 6L but the supermarket doesn't have it much anymore, and i am unsure if bad or not from the few times i tried it unless/until try more, and i don't like it being "ozonated".
(I have also tried buying milk instead/too but similar problems. I have a slight cow milk allergy, can't easily get nonfat fresh goat's milk. Is high copper content. It sits in metal pails/tankers/tanks. Worried about too much lactose sugar & diabetes. Plus always a worry they could fluoridate milk. Soy milk is bad for me, an they say is high fluoride.)
- I made enquiries about the big blue water co but from what i saw on their site and in their replies their water is not good (delivery man bald, water sitting in metal for 12 hours, "ph adjusted", take out other nutrients, etc)
They never answered me about quality & ingredients of  their bottles and water. Plus water reserviour bottles have some metal in them.
- No one i have asked/begged is able or willing to help deliver water from Petone to Upper Hutt (a long  way). Citizens Advice Bureau said is no one, could only say ask a church.
The pastor that used to help retired in January. Anyone that helps i have to take a big risk to trust them (i can not afford to loose anymore years from any more poisonings,  and it takes awhile to be able to tell if/what bad).
I can not know which christians/churches i can/can't trust anymore since my popes/emperors discovery last year, as i now don't know who may or may not be Vatican connected.
There is no social support or advocates for a person like me who is stuck halfway in between normal and disabled (and being european, male, 42, single).
"Crystal Valley" i am wary of (esp since crystal has lead in it).
I am sick of having to rely on unreliable people who sometimes leave me in the lurch, and/or living my "life" around timetables.
- I love the Petone deep aretsian bore water. But I can not keep getting artesian water from Petone every 1-2 weeks by hand/foot/trolley/train ( I don't have a car or friend with one), and it is not fair that everyone else oesn't have to.
The meter reader picked my door lock on 15th Feb and i am now trapped here not able to go anywhere unless/until i can get locks that can't be picked. One locksmith refused to do my locks. The other was trying to pressure me into less good type of lock.
I have a hell enough combination of situation and condition and studies, and is difficult to get out much as it is.
I am sick of having to ration/starve/thirst and/or be poisoned.
It costs me alot of money (trains, shoes, etc).
There is no decent hand trolley in local NZ shops (wheels, shelf/seat/ledge width, handle height, not rust, not noisy, weight capacity).
I have other things i need/want to do when i get out. It takes half a day to go down Petone and come back before/after doing anything else. (Esp as there are no lockers anywhere and i can't be carrying around empty/full 20 litre water containers in shops/groups/events/etc. I also can't be carrying around drink bottles everywhere.)
The fount at Petone is not kept clean, there is gunge in the button boxes. People keep sticking credit cards in button crack to keep water running causing it to leak/drip around button  hole cracks.
The one in Lower Hutt is still too far away. It has big copper pipes which i don't like. I haven't seen any tests results for it like Petone (even tho they say its from the same miles long underground water source).
The only places in all of Upper/Lower Hutt, Wellington, Porirua that don't have fluoridated tap water are Petone & Korokoro (& Greytown), and the only artesian 2 or 3 founts are in Petone and now Lower Hutt (and Paekakariki) (and my friend says is one in Wellingotn near Moore Wilsons?) (apart from non-public-access shallow bore in trentham park) (apart from many places taps where they "accidentally" drilled down to far in construction sites and are not publically accessible) (apart from fringe farmers). Upper Hutt council will not put in an artesian bore in central UH because of goverment "regulations" (though it didn't stop Lower Hutt putting one in).
Note: Upper Hutt is the 1st/2nd largest "city" in NZ, and the 1st/2nd smallest population "city" in NZ. A valley surrounded by hills on almost all sides.
- Can not collect rain water here due to my situation & condition, attached company share flat neighbours problems, and rain water has pollution in it, and/or bird dropings/dirt from roof/gutter/birds.
- The river water near here is not safe to drink (visible gunge/algae).
- "Go to a Dr/GP/Psychiatrist/Mental Health/Health Professional/professional help":
This is not just my few minor "mental" issues. It is not my fault you force fluoridated water on us. It is not my fault the meter reader picked my door lock and now i am trapped here not able to get out to get water, and notmy fault that the locksmith refused to do locks.
How can i trust "health" people that won't stop doing things like poisoning/fluoridating our water?
I tried mental health many times and had problems likeside side-effects, pharmac won't bring in some medications, the mental health act, 3 weeks wait just for intake appointment, one time they kept me waiting for a whole year for cbt then turned me down, another time 1-2 months wait and then give the 2 worst ingredients & side-effects options medication.
No Dr/GP ever told me about things like fluoridated water, mercury fillings, tin can food, allergies, dusty water from sitting in metal fittings/tanks, etc.
- I am not able to shift anytime soon due to troubles finding a place that suits my difficult combination of requirments (safe for studies books etc, not noisy, clean water, not socially isolated re single at 42, afford, no landlord worries, not have to shift again anytime soon, etc), and having to sell this place. Banks won't give mortgage on benefit because not meet artificial "surplus". Housing corp NZ won't give me a place because i own this place (despite my serious health needs). Winz will penalise me if i own another place  other than the one i live in (unless i can make a family trust). I have to sell or rent this place (and being a stupid company share flat I am only allowed to rent this place for a year unless the person/people are family). All of wellington, porirua, lower hutt, upper hutt fluoridate except korokoro and petone, and half of nz/oz/us/uk/israel settlements/towns fluoridate, so where am i going to go?
- The police said "you have right to legal recourse". But I don't have the time & health & money etc to take you to court (because of my difficult combination of situation and condition/sickness (and studies)). I certainly can't do it when on your poison sh*t which lowers my ability. (If i was able i would and i am confident i could win as i have got the root issues that smashes your lying "reasons".)
 Besides even if i can get my own water, what about that i am astill effected by it effecting others (aside from that shouldn't we also care about others not just self?). What about that it effects my "dating" life, since women reject "fussy" eaters, and i can't just go to a restaurant or "for a coffee".
It is unfair for certain person to say to me to "get off my bum" and "help myself". Why don't you give people more of a free/equal choice by putting a deep artesian font in upper hutt (like Petone, not big copper pipes like Lower Hutt)? Why don't you authorities get off your cushy chairs and stop hindering/harming us in the first place, and address the real root issues of tooth decay?
People can darn brush their own teeth easier than we can get/avoid water.
People can get/add / avoid sugar far easier than we can get/avoid water.
People can get their own fluoride far easier than we can get/avoid water.
 The only best answers are either: stop fluoridating my tap water (and stop putting sugar in everyones food), or else put in an artesian fount in Upper Hutt, or else help me to get clean water (i can/will pay if have to), or help me to be able to find a place to shift to, or at least help me to get locks that can't be picked so easily/quickly, or people support my letters/submissions/court actions.
 Even if we could get fluoridation stopped here there are still alot of other problems i have to cope with such as water sitting in metal tanks/pipes, farmers (& supermarkets) spraying food, etc.


Conspiracy or not?:
- The quote from Ama Swerwaa that we gave above in the Water section was on the back of a fair trade chocolate bar full of sugar.
- Why do so many people keep saying to drink plenty of water? (Including the newspaper review of 'That Sugar Book'.)


Some pro/"anti" references/sources/studies:
This paper/article of ours about fluoridaton.
http://www.freewebs.com/lifetradition/fluoridation.htm
http://historum.com/blogs/rob+banks/30958-water-fluoridation-facts.html
https://2rbetterthan1.wordpress.com/2014/01/22/water-fluoridation-poisoners
http://www.allempires.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=36150
The Bible.
Wapf.
MoH's own wairarapa study.
'Signature of God', Grant Jeffrey.
42 negative confessions.
Dr Mercola;  Dr Paul Connett; Dr John Colquhoun.
award-winning journalist Christopher Bryson ("fluoride deception" http://youtu.be/Q3y8uwtxrHo).
"nz dentist exposes/blows whistle on fluoride" news item.
4,200 health & science professionals ('Professionals' Statement').
fluoride free nz (prev fluoride action network nz).
NZ Nutrition and Your Health, David Cory.
MoH. WHO.
sedgeford archaeological society paper.
water testers results.
chemistry/science reference books;
http://www.rotoruadailypost.co.nz/news/whats-the-problem-with-fluoride-in-our-water/1394123 .
South Taranaki court case notes/paper.
breakfast cereal ingredients lists.
wikipedia (on fluoridation, filters).
starman's quest;
encarta;
newspapers letters to the editor.
science study on milk.
diabetic on talkback radio.
my mother's dog
national anarchist blog;
infowars.com;
'fluoride detective' blog.
science study on fluoride & multiple sclerosis found by google searching that.
replies from greater regional council/chris laidlaw;
toothpaste labels;
fluoride packaging labels.
antifluoride (Facebook group page).
theapricity....

Keep this thread oriented on tips for health and well being.

Keep personalities out of it.

AR focus on those tips and not your believed issues.

All others refrain from comments that might provoke a response not conducive to good oder and discipline. it's commonly referred to as 'baiting'. So far no hit no foul...let us keep it that way.

If not..this thread wont last another day.

I'll see to it personally.

Enough said.

Edited by Centrix Vigilis - 24-Mar-2016 at 06:28

"Clearly Fraught"? No one can prove it is all just my fault and not at least half others.  None of this is actual objective scientific evidence about what we posted. Smearing, etc is a common tactic.

Ah so you are serving the "pope"/"Kepha(s)" [Emperor/Caesar] (Vatican) too are you? Or just another strange coincidence since my "popes"/emperors discovery last year?
Unless the J stands for Juan Espera-en-Dios [rather than Jesuit], or A for Arjen.

(I declare that however wrong/dumb/sick/bad i may be in somethings it doesn't mean that i am all/always wrong/dumb and/or doesn't mean others/orthodox are all/always right/good.)

Sorry if i mistook your original post negatively/antagonistically, but this one is not all mistaken this time.

The problem with this world is Evolution. The problem is findinf the balance between strong oppressing weak on one hand (darwinian/nationalism), and the weak undermining the strong on the other hand (creationism/socialism).

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To the Upper Hutt "city" council, the Wellington regional council, the Minister/Ministry of "Health", etc:
For the last time please stop poisoning (fluoridating & alluminium-lacing etc) my tap water, and stop subtly forcing me to eat/drink it. Either stop fluoridating my tap water or else put in an artesian fount in Upper Hutt, or else help me to get clean water, or help me to find a place to shift to. If you do not then i will rebel against every one and everything. (I have no intention of breaking any major laws, but i will simply refuse to do anything. I have to take/make a last stand or yous will just go on and on poisoning me. This has just gone on and on for days/weeks/months/years since i first "complained" and no one will do anything.)

Yes i am so being *forced* regardless of you advantaged/rich/healthy people lyingly claiming you are not forcing us disadvantaged.

- clean running home/work tap water is an essential necessity of life, i can not live for mor than 3 days without water (& food) or i will die (and even those 3 days are miserable suffering).
- I can not suicide because i have 2 reasons i need/want to live, and if i did i couldn't threaten it as they would "section" me under mental health act.

- I can not just eat/drink your sh*t water. There is no doubt from multiple controled-as-possible experiences that your water harms/hinders my mental/physical health/ability (balding, lower mental ability, sleep worse, tinittis & humming in head, skin problems, prostate, thyroid, etc).
Aside from which i also get too angry when eating/drinking it.

- It is not very easy or possible to have a water filter here for various reasons inlcuding plumbing problems in 5 unit block company share flat. There are no manual filters, only ones that have to be plumbed in to the running taps. It is dangerous to filter water without expert knowledge and decent diet.
- Distillling water is also not good, aside from the electricity costs.
- Atmosh also no good.

- I can not get bottled water. The government made it law that bottled water doesn't have to say on labels whether is/isn't fluoridated. They mostly all come in pet(e) #1 which has endocrine disruptors. They mostly all too small bottles, and i have no one to dleiver and take away empty bottles. It costs money, and is alot of hastle every 1-2 weeks. Some spring  water is naturally high in fluoride.
- Tonagriro water seems to be a lie. I have tried it and it effects me almost as bad as if not worse than the tap water (compared to Petone water).
The only other water is signature range 6L but the supermarket doesn't have it much anymore, and the few times i tried it i was not sure if it was bad or good.

- No one i have asked/begged is able or willing to help deliver water from Petone to Upper Hutt (a long  way). Citizens Advice Bureau said is no one, could only say ask a church.
The pastor that used to help retired in January. Even him i had to take a big risk to trust him (i can not afford to loose anymore years from any more poisonings).
I can not know which christians/churches i can/can't trust anymore since my popes/emperors discovery last year, as i now don't know who may or may not be Vatican connected.
There is no social support or advocates for a person like me who is stuck halfway in between normal and disabled (and being european, male, 42, single).

- i can not keep getting artesian water from Petone every 1-2 weeks by hand/foot/trolley/train.
- the meter reader picked my door lock on 15th Feb and i am now trapped here not able to go anywhere unless/until i can get locks that can't be picked. One locksmith refused to do my locks. The other was trying to pressure me into less good type of lock.
- i have a hell enough situation and condition and is difficult to get out much as it is.
- It costs me alot of money (trains, shoes, etc).
- There is no decent hand trolley in local NZ shops (wheels, shelf/seat/ledge width, handle height, not rust, not noisy, weight capacity).
- i have other things i need/want to do when i get out. It takes half a day to go down Petone and come back before/after doing anything else.
- I am sick of having to ration/starve/thirst and/or be poisoned..
- The fount at Petone is not kept clean, there is gunge in the button boxes. People keep sticking credit cards in to keep open cuasing it to leak/drip aound button  hole cracks.
- The one in Lower Hutt is still too far away. It has big copper pipes which i don't like. I haven't seen any tests for it like Petone.
- The only places in all of Upper/Lower Hutt, Wellington, Porirua that don't have fluoridated water are Petone & Korokoro (& Greytown), and the only artesian 2 or 3 founts are in Petone and now Lower Hutt (and Paekakariki) (and my friend says is one in Wellingotn near Moore Wilsons?) (apart from many private taps where they "accidentally" drilled down to far in construction sites,) (apart from fringe farmers).

- Upper Hutt refuse to put in an artesian fount in (central) Upper Hutt because of stupid government "regulations". Yet it didn't stop Lower Hutt putting one in.

- i made enquiries about the big blue water co but from what i saw on their site and in their replies their water is not good (delivery man bald, sitting in metal for 12 hours, "ph adjusted", take out other nutrients, etc)

- Can not collect rain water here due to my situation & condition, attached company share flat neigbhbours problems, and rain water had pollution in it.
- The river water near here is not safe to drink.

- Boiling/freezing it doesn't get the fluoride and alluminium out.

- I am not able to shift anytime soon due to troubles finding a place that suits my difficult combination of requirments (safe for studies books etc, not noisy, clean water, not socially isolated re single at 42, afford, etc), and having to sell this place. Housing corp NZ won't give me a place because i own this place (despite my serious health needs). Winz will penalise me if i own another place  other than the one i live in (unless i can make a family trust). Being a stupid company share flat I am only allowed to rent this place for a year unless the person/people are family.


- I can not take you to court. (If i was able i would and i am confident i could win as i have got the root issues that smashes your lying "reasons".) I do not have the situation, condition/health, time, money, etc. I certainly can't do it when on your poison sh*t which lowers my ability.

- "Go to a Dr/GP/Psychiatrist/Mental Health/Health Professional/professional help":
This is not just my few minor "mental" issues. It is not my fault you force fluoridated water on us. It is not my fault the meter reader picked my door lock and now i am trapped here not able to get out to get water.
How can i trust "health" people that won't stop doing things like poisoning/fluoridating our water?

- I can not take political action or stand for election.

- making submissions is a waste of time.
- writing letters to editor is a waste of time.
- i can not pay for advert/articles in newspapers as they charge too high rip-off fees and they may refuse to publish it.
- i can not keep sitting at computer for hours/days/weeks/months writing emails/letters, articles/papers, books as i am having blood pressure & heart trobles and by the time i get a well enough written paper it will be too late (and i certainly can't being forced back to  fluoridated water now).

You (claim that you) don't believe it is harmful?
- you can not control the intake/dosage of water/fluoride. The fluoride you put in our water is not the same compound and dosage/level as the fluoride that is naturally already in water. Water is an essential necessity of life, we are constantly intaking water & fluoride every day, no one should be allowed to so causually mess around with water. Some of us have higher water intake.
- where is the independent objective Proof (to the same excessively high standards they always demand of us for our academic papers)?
- where is you individual doctors prescriptions and monitoring?
- mainland Europe banned it. NZ is visbily/audibly way behind Europe & Russia in ability.
- Go look at pictures and biographies of people before 1940s.
- my own multiple experiences. People commented to me that i looked better etc after i stopped fluoridated water, removed mercury fillings, etc. I sleep better on artesian water and worse on fluoridated/bottled water. I made my 12 battles sites of "(King) Arthur" discovery after being on artesian water for months, wasn't able to for years before that.
- mass balding of many men in wellington/nz proves there are toxins (mine got worse on fluoridated water and less worse off fluoridated water) (even though there are also other toxins like sprayed food).
- go take a look at Petone shops and houses and see for yourself the visible difference between Petone and Upper/Lower Hutt (and it is not just because of the beach or business). Same with Greytown.
- Some things are harmful in combination (like fluoride and alluminium/etc?)
- Why did the USA lower the levels awhile ago?


And the fact is that the issue of scientific proof of harmful of not is actually not the real/true main issue but is just a clever diverting & stalling tactic.
The real root issue is the claim that fluoridation is necessary because it is supposedly the only best "cheap, safe, effective" solution to "increased incidence of disadvantaged childrens tooth decay in urban areas".
But all world and history proves that the only best answer to this is not mis-using "science" as an easy-answer-for-some  despite the risks/sideffects, but is rather:
- sugar (stop heaping it in our foods & drinks); People can get/add / avoid sugar far easier than we can get/avoid our own clean water; where is the communal/business/individual responsibility?;
- oral cleanliness (one of the major causes of tooth decay is bacteria; people already brush their teeth withfluoridated toothpaste every morning/evening); people can damn brush their teeth easier than we can get clean water; where is the individual responsibility?; so the saying "oral health on tap" is a moronic lie;
- diet ((processed) carbs);
- nutrition (incl vit D, calcium, natural fluoride, etc); people can get their own fluoride far easier than we can get our own clean water (they can get fluoride from tooth paste, all water, naturally high fluoride spring water, tea, fluoridated bottled water, tablets, fluoridated salt/milk, gelatine? soy? dolomite?); topical fluoride is said to be more effective than food/drink induced fluoride;
- socio-economic disadvantages/inequalities. (you are not "leveling (dental) inequalities", you have just used inequalities as an excuse to make even more inequaities; yous are most hurting, not helping disadvantaged like me).
If it is so beneficial/good/right then why are some people  (Petone, Korokoro, farmers, people with filters, mainland Europe, people who get artesian water, etc) allowed to avoid it while others aren't (NZ, UK, Eire, Israel, RSA, USA)?
Why did the USA lower the levels awhile ago?
The MoH's own study of rural children in Wairarapa proved that they had better teeth (and they are on unfluoridated water, lower sugar diet, better nutrition, etc).

Even if we can get this resolved there are still plenty enough other troubles (water sitting in tanks, sprayed food, smartmeters, etc), but this is nevertheless one of the most important essential necessities of life and is a very serious trouble for me now before/above most other things, and how many people from 1940s to now have already lost ability/health/body-parts/lives/love because of it.

I have already said all this at:
http://www.freewebs.com/lifetradition/fluoridation.htm , http://historum.com/blogs/rob+banks/30958-water-fluoridation-facts.html
https://2rbetterthan1.wordpress.com/2014/01/22/water-fluoridation-poisoners
http://www.allempires.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=36150

No one cares. Just because i have a few mental health troubles the criminals all get away with their crimes.

If i threaten to "harm myself" they will lock me up, yet they can harm (poison/fluoridate, etc) me.



Edited by Arthur-Robin - 23-Mar-2016 at 22:37

Thank you for your contribution Tore. There is certainly a certain amount of truth there.

But, my own problem is that humans are a social animal/creature and some people like me are hindered/harmed by others doing wrong to us personally/impersonally. We are not sovereign independent states, we are effected by others/system/"laws".

I was abused, poisoned multiple times, had/have attached/noisy neighbours, had my locks picked by a meter reader just last month,  have local authorities here poisoning (fluoridating) my tap water and spraying all farm/shop veges/fruit, neighbours spraying, etc etc etc (past and present). How am  i supposed to be able to get out to exercise, have a garden, be un-stressed, eat balanced diet, etc? No one will listen to me, everyone just blames the Individual. The State/Community/neighbours/others/people/church have equal responsibility. It is all very well to be like-Nazi Social-Darwinian and just to trash us disadvantaged who aren't able to be superman and individualistically overcome all external socio-eocnomic as unfit/dysgenic/inferior/weak.

Mainland Europe (including Sweden) has banned water fluoridation but the British/American/Colonial world (US, RSA, Australian, NZ, Israel, Turkey)still do it, causing us hell troubles.

JAW: i hope you are not implying/insinuating anyone here is psycho or overwrought-mind (if so what proof?)

All laws are covered in one law: do unto others as you would have done to you / love your "neighbour" as yourself. (But also do not assume what is suits you also suits others.)