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    Posted: 11-Nov-2009 at 09:11
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Battle of Salsu

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Battle of Salsu
Part of the Goguryeo-Sui Wars
Date 612
Location Salsu River, present-day Chongchon River
Result Decisive Korean victory
Belligerents
Sui Chinese Goguryeo
Commanders
Yu Zhongwen
Yuwen Shu		 Eulji Mundeok
Strength
100,000-305,000 About 10,000
Casualties and losses
Up to 302,300 Few
Korean name
Hangul 살수대첩
Hanja 薩水大捷
Revised Romanization Salsu Daecheop
McCune-Reischauer Salsu Taech'ŏp

The Battle of Salsu was an enormous battle that occurred in the year 612, during the second Goguryeo-Sui War, between Goguryeo (Korea) and Sui Dynasty (China). Goguryeo cavalry forces, although outnumbered, overwhelmed the Chinese troops in combat and eventually emerged victorious.

In 612, the Sui Emperor Yangdi invaded Goguryeo with a million men.[1][2] However, at this time, Goguryeo General Eulji Mundeok defended fortresses against the Sui army and navy for several months and destroyed the Sui troops in retreat. An ambush at Salsu (Chongchon River) caused massive Sui casualties, leading to an overall campaign loss of all but 2,700 Sui troops out of 305,000 men.[3]

When the Sui army had reached Salsu, the water level was shallow. Eulji Mundeok had already cut off the flow of water with a dam. When the Sui army had half crossed the river, Eulji opened the dam, and the onslaught of water left many thousands of Sui soldiers dead. The Goguryeo cavalry then charged the remaining Sui force. The surviving Sui forces were forced to retreat to Liaodong Peninsula to avoid being killed.

With the victory over Sui dynasty in Salsu, Goguryeo eventually became the victor of the war itself, while the Sui Dynasty started to crumble from within and was finally brought down by internal strife.

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  1. ^ Kbs World
  2. ^ Goguryeo War - Kokuryo.com
  3. ^ Association for Asia Research- The forgotten glory of Koguryo
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300,000 was not all dead, alot simply ran away lol, yeah that was a real disgrace to the Sui Dynasty, way to f it up :D

bigger casaulty could come from Battle of Changping
Battle of Changping
Date April, 262 BC – July, 260 BC
Location Northwest of Gaoping, Shanxi
Result Decisive Qin victory
The Qin's unification of China became inevitable
Belligerents
State of Zhao State of Qin
Commanders
Lian Po
Zhao Kuo†		 Wang He (王齕)
Bai Qi
Strength
500,000 650,240 men+
Casualties and losses
450,000+ killed according to Sima Yi 250,000

Numbers are not exaggeration btw, they were all proven, which makes it even more ghastly :oooo
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--dexippus writes "The largest battle involving American troops was the Battle of the Bulge, or Ardennes offensive, which involved over 1 million GIs and over 35 divisions, from Dec. 16th 1944 to Jan 16th 1945. Roughly 16,000 GIs were killed during this period."
--That's incorrect, though most people THINK it's the largest American battle ever. Possibly due to all those hitler channel shows <g>.
--The largest is actually the Battle of the Meuse-Argonne, which lasted from 26 September 1918 until 11 November 1918, with the strategic aim of capturing the rail center of Sedan and cutting the lateral rail net of the German Army on the Western Front.
--It involved nearly 1,300,000 American troops, who suffered more than 120,000 casualties. With nearly 27000 dead, it's the bloodiest battle in American history, as well as being the largest.
--In case you want to read more about it, I recommend Robert Ferrell's excellent account, "America's Deadliest Battle: Meuse-Argonne, 1918".

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please don't write in all caps.
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Originally posted by SPARTAN KROUT

WRONG.
THE LARGEST NAVAL BATTLE IN HISTORY WAS JUTLAND.
WW1 GERMAN NAVY VS.BRITISH NAVY.
 
In tonnage involved, Leyte Gulf got you beat.
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WRONG.
THE LARGEST NAVAL BATTLE IN HISTORY WAS JUTLAND.
WW1 GERMAN NAVY VS.BRITISH NAVY.
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DESPITE WHAT I AM READING HERE MY FRIEND I THINK IT IS A VERY EASY ANSWER.(ALTHOUGH IT HAS MORE THAN ONE)
THE SINGLE GREATEST BATTLE IN HISTORY IN SCOPE OF COMBATANTS,CIVILLIAN LOSSES,MILLITARY LOSSES,AND DEVASTATION, AND ACCORDING TO SOME HISTORIANS,NOT MY OPINION,IS THE OVER SIX MONTH BATTLE OF STALINGRAD.
THE BATTLE FOR BERLIN IS CONSIDERED TO BE THE SINGLE LARGEST BATTLE BY OTHER HISTORIANS,IN SCOPE OF OVER 2,000,000 RUSSIAN SOLDIERS,ALMOST 5000 TANKS,AROUND 14/15 THOUSAND ARTILLERY PIECES,12,000 PLANES(I THINK)
INCLUDING THE VASTLY OUTNUMBERED GERMAN DEFENDERS,DEATHS ON BOTH SIDES.AND LOSS OF MATERIEL,DESTRUCTION TO CITY ETC..
I WOULD HAVE TO SAY "THE BATTLE FOR BERLIN" IS THE ANSWER TO THE QUESTION "WHAT IS THE LARGEST BATTLE IN HISTORY?"
 
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well because first, China has huge manpower pools, and armies with even larger numbers have been recorded and second, this particular battle was the main reason for the fall of the newly established Sui dynasty.
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Originally posted by Temujin

300,000 soldiers for the Sui Army isn't really hard to believe in my opinion.


And why would that be?
What is the officer problem?
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300,000 soldiers for the Sui Army isn't really hard to believe in my opinion.
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I'm a Korean-American who grew up in Korea so I know very well about the Salsu Battle. It is a source of great Korean nationalistic pride, just like Yi Soon-Shin admiral who did a lot to repel the Japanese invasion in the 1590's with the armored Turtle Ship (Geo-buk-seon). But as far as the Salsu Battle in which supposedly 300,000+ Chinese soldiers were killed, I found that hard to believe even as a kid. But it does seem like an accepted fact, even by Chinese scholars and historians. It was really about the Goguryeo (northern Korean nation at the time) general Eulji Mundeok luring the huge Sui (Chinese) army into a major trap and completely catching them off guard - one of the biggest battle routs in history for sure.
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Battle of Salsu

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Battle of Salsu
Part of the Goguryeo-Sui Wars
Date 612
Location Salsu River, present-day Chongchon River
Result Decisive Korean victory
Belligerents
Sui Chinese Goguryeo
Commanders
Yu Zhongwen
Yuwen Shu		 Eulji Mundeok
Strength
100,000-305,000 About 10,000
Casualties and losses
Up to 302,300 Few
Korean name
Hangul 살수대첩
Hanja 薩水大捷
Revised Romanization Salsu Daecheop
McCune-Reischauer Salsu Taech'ŏp

The Battle of Salsu was an enormous battle that occurred in the year 612, during the second Goguryeo-Sui War, between Goguryeo (Korea) and Sui Dynasty (China). Goguryeo cavalry forces, although outnumbered, overwhelmed the Chinese troops in combat and eventually emerged victorious.

In 612, the Sui Emperor Yangdi invaded Goguryeo with a million men.[1][2] However, at this time, Goguryeo General Eulji Mundeok defended fortresses against the Sui army and navy for several months and destroyed the Sui troops in retreat. An ambush at Salsu (Chongchon River) caused massive Sui casualties, leading to an overall campaign loss of all but 2,700 Sui troops out of 305,000 men.[3]

When the Sui army had reached Salsu, the water level was shallow. Eulji Mundeok had already cut off the flow of water with a dam. When the Sui army had half crossed the river, Eulji opened the dam, and the onslaught of water left many thousands of Sui soldiers dead. The Goguryeo cavalry then charged the remaining Sui force. The surviving Sui forces were forced to retreat to Liaodong Peninsula to avoid being killed.

With the victory over Sui dynasty in Salsu, Goguryeo eventually became the victor of the war itself, while the Sui Dynasty started to crumble from within and was finally brought down by internal strife.

[edit] References

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  2. ^ Goguryeo War - Kokuryo.com
  3. ^ Association for Asia Research- The forgotten glory of Koguryo
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Personally I doubt there were half that actually at the battle?

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50,000 seems reasonable, considering the dead included women and children as well.
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That's a myth though. The Victorians could also invent fictions of 300 proportions. The Roman numbers for the battle make the army larger than the population for the whole region. So unless some serious cloning had been done by the locals in the weeks prior to the battle.
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I thought I remember hearing that in one battle 60,000 British died like in a couple of hours.
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Kursk, fought in the summer of 1943, has the distinction of being the biggest tank battles of the war, with over 1500 tanks engaged in a single melee.


this was already discussed in another thread. the actual numbers in the battle of Prokhorovka, as part of the Kursk salient was actually lower as in the battle of Gembloux in the French campaign 1940.
 
The largest naval battle, by common consent, is the Battle of Leyte Gulf in 1945.


only in tonnage but not number of ships. there's a topic over at the wiki about this
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I want to know what the largest battle ever in history was in terms of the sizes of both armies, the casualties sustained and the size of the area in which the battle took place.
 
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Originally posted by Sun Tzu

I want to know what the largest battle ever in history was in terms of the sizes of both armies, the casualties sustained and the size of the area in which the battle took place.

By mentioning "armies," are you restricting this question to land battles alone?

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The largest battle involving American troops was the Battle of the Bulge, or Ardennes offensive, which involved over 1 million GIs and over 35 divisions, from Dec. 16th 1944 to Jan 16th 1945. Roughly 16,000 GIs were killed during this period. 
 
Probably the entire Russian campaign of World War II might rank as one of the bitterest and most brutal contests ever waged, with over 25 million killed on both sides during four years of bitter fighting. A number of these battles, including Stalingrad, Kursk and Berlin, may rank in the top ten in terms of number of troops deployed and number of casualties suffered. Kursk, fought in the summer of 1943, has the distinction of being the biggest tank battles of the war, with over 1500 tanks engaged in a single melee. 
 
The largest naval battle, by common consent, is the Battle of Leyte Gulf in 1945.
 
The bloodiest day in military history is probably the Battle of Cannae, in 216 BC, in which upwards of 50,000 Romans were killed in a single day. 
 
The bloodiest day in American history remains the Battle of Antietem (Sharpsburg), in which 6000 men on both sides were killed.
 
 
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