Does Turkey has a Bizantine Identity

Originally posted by pinguin I agree! Why not? Here in Hispanic America all people is proud of the Ancient Amerindian civilizations, and we consider them part of our country, and also consider them to be a part of our ancestry, either in blood or spirit. Anyone that say Latin Americans have not roots in the lands we live or that we are invasors, be prepared to received a punch in the nose The situation is the same anywhere, including Turkey. People loves theirs lands and all theirs ancestors, regardless of the differences of the past. And traditions always survives the struggles.   That what I think anyways.   Pinguin

I agree with you again...

I am proud of Roman achievements  in my country

i think they even still  contribute to my country to an important degree.

Not only by tourism means, but the fact that Turkey is lcoated in Asia minor and civilisation spreaded from here makes me feel better


Edited by TheDiplomat - 03-Nov-2006 at 08:28

I agree! Why not?

Here in Hispanic America all people is proud of the Ancient Amerindian civilizations, and we consider them part of our country, and also consider them to be a part of our ancestry, either in blood or spirit.

Anyone that say Latin Americans have not roots in the lands we live or that we are invasors, be prepared to received a punch in the nose

 

 

I think that Turkey definatley has Byzantine and Greek roots, but not as much as they make out. In Turkey, many of the classical sites and guidebooks make out that these are places of Turkish national pride- these sites are nothing to do with the Turks! I think that Turkey and her people do have a lot to be proud of- The blue mosque, topkapi palace, maritime and scientific development...magnificent, but can they Turks be proud of the Byzantine monuments in their country? I think not.

unfortunatly,unfortunatly....

 Arben ; despite i've warned other forum members not to treat like a utopic nationalist ; you 're struggling not to abide my call .

Thanks Mordoth:

However, If I knew the topic would be controversial perhaps I would not posted it. But I did because I am interested in what happened in Turkey after the fall of the Bizantine Empire.

As you know, my mother culture has strong roots in Spain, a society that was very intollerant in matters of religion in the past. So somehow we have a stereotype about Turkey which I think is not the truth, specially when that country received with open arms in the past so many refugees from Spain itself, like the Sephardic Jews. So my intention asking it was simply to learn more about Turkey.

WARNING to some particular members:

Any further attempt to bring already well-exausted discussions of Greek -Turkish relations of the modern history into this very thought topic will not be tolerated and henceforth yoru messages will be deleted.

apart from that,

I, as a moderator, personally feel like i owe a'' thank you" to Pinguin, who came up witha fresh  and undiscessed topic like this.

Originally posted by Bulldog   You cannot blame this on the Turks, its the Greek Church who had such views regarding being Greek. Its the Church who would ostrazise a person from Greek society and being a part of the Greek nation if they were to become Muslim.

im not blaming turks, that is completely besides the point, nor are we talking about a greek nation or greek society just a greek community in a ottomon society.

remember you said greeks didnt assimilate as easily (one reason was religion) as others, i disgreed with this, greek muslims are an example of this. You also said assimliation was done through  free will, which for me would be as accurate as saying it was completly forced.

Im just showing you, that this isnt a black and white subject nor did  the sytems of the ottomons cater for any shade of grey or had a system based on equality, making assimilation a little less natural than what you think.

(mortaza points out very well that being muslim doesnt automitically make one a turk in the ottomon years)

anyway this got way to off topic. aplogies to the rest

can you read? what about greek muslims? They werent reconised as greeks by the ottomons and unfortunatly our nationalism cut them out along those same lines. Where is the choice here? doesnt sound  very free to me. you cant be greek and muslim in the ottomon system. I think at that times, there is not muslim turks or greeks, but only muslims.So you cannot become muslim turk too.