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    Posted: 06-Feb-2007 at 08:30
ok i know it's not history YET, but you heard it here first. Bush the Crap
Nows that's a nickname
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  Quote Lepidodendron Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06-Feb-2007 at 02:31
I have always found Heinrich Jasomirgott (duke of Austria, c. 1107-1177) a funny name. It looks like the beginning of an oath or something.

The other way around: Byzantine emperor Zeno was born with the name Tarasicodissa. (He was an Isaurian from Anatolia.)
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Vlad Tepez aka Vlad the Impaler aka "Draculla" Dead
well not that funny but odd enough...

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Percival...hmm that is a vaguely humourous name...haha - Percival..HAHA!LOL
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  Quote The Chargemaster Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21-Oct-2006 at 03:03
Originally posted by Chilbudios

The wallachian ruler Radu Praznaglava (1421, 1423, 1424 - 1426, 1427)

Prazna glava
means "Empty head"(in bulgarian).
Actually the usual translation is Radu the Bald

OK, now i understand what exactly is "the missing" thing in his head. Thanks!
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  Quote Constantine XI Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14-Oct-2006 at 00:37
This source you have provided is obvious Christian propaganda. It approaches the subject as though anyone who dared deviate from Christian instruction is wicked or bad. Just look at this sentence:

Originally posted by Timotheus

His father sent him some time after to Nicomedia, to be instructed in the Christian religion, by the bishop of Eusebius, his kinsman, but his principles were corrupted by the pernicious doctrines of Ecebolius the rhetorician, and Maximus the magician.


So in other words, any views or philosophies not in line with the Chuch are automatically pernicious, and their effects are to corrupt? Obviously your source is not balanced and has no tolerance for other religious viewpoints or philosophies. Julian himself received one of the finest educations available and sat at the feet of some of the leading scholars of his day. He was exposed to a wide range of perspectives, Christian, pagan and otherwise. He was far better informed and educated than most men of his day and throughout his life showed clear scholarly talent, and yet he chose paganism. Let's move on.

Originally posted by Timotheus

Constantius, dying the year 361, Julian succeeded him, and had no sooner attained the imperial dignity than he renounced Christianity and embraced paganism, which had for some years fallen into great disrepute.


Fallen into disrepute? Hardly, instead it had been discarded by the imperial family and persecuted by them. Paganism was still widely popular, especially in Rome itself. Your source shows clear errors in how it frames its information. Moving on.....

Originally posted by Timotheus

The persecution raged dreadfully about the latter end of the year 363; but, as many of the particulars have not been handed down to us, it is necessary to remark in general, that in Palestine many were burnt alive, others were dragged by their feet through the streets naked until they expired; some were scalded to death, many stoned, and great numbers had their brains beaten out with clubs.


No particulars have been handed down to us? Then where is the historical validity in these claims? If your source wants to say people died during Julian's reign, it may do so. But let's get real here, you have provided us with a few specific citations of actual murders, only one of which (Basil) is directly attributed to Julian himself. By 4th century standards, this is incredibly good.

Overall Julian reinvigorated the Roman military and was far more tolerant than the Christian Roman Emperors. Julian was a conscientious ruler, gifted with a learned mind and endowed with a far better education than most of his predecessors or any of his successors.

Originally posted by Timotheus

Though he restored the idolatrous worship, he made no public edicts against Christianity. He recalled all banished pagans, allowed the free exercise of religion to every sect, but deprived all Christians of offices at court, in the magistracy, or in the army. He was chaste, temperate, vigilant, laborious, and pious; yet he prohibited any Christian from keeping a school or public seminary of learning, and deprived all the Christian clergy of the privileges granted them by Constantine the Great


As your source notes, his personal conduct was nothing short of excellant. He reversed the persecutions instituted under the Christians only a couple of decades before and in a bid to see they did not return he constrained Christians in their access to powerful positions. He reversed the disproportionate and excessive privileges awarded to the Christians and as your source notes, allowed free exercise of religion (something Christianity never really grasped, we had to wait for the arrival of secularism before other religions in the West could truly be practiced with a guarantee of expression and safety).


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This emperor was the son of Julius Constantius, and the nephew of Constantine the Great. He studied the rudiments of grammar under the inspection of Mardonius, a eunuch, and a heathen of Constantinople. His father sent him some time after to Nicomedia, to be instructed in the Christian religion, by the bishop of Eusebius, his kinsman, but his principles were corrupted by the pernicious doctrines of Ecebolius the rhetorician, and Maximus the magician.

Constantius, dying the year 361, Julian succeeded him, and had no sooner attained the imperial dignity than he renounced Christianity and embraced paganism, which had for some years fallen into great disrepute. Though he restored the idolatrous worship, he made no public edicts against Christianity. He recalled all banished pagans, allowed the free exercise of religion to every sect, but deprived all Christians of offices at court, in the magistracy, or in the army. He was chaste, temperate, vigilant, laborious, and pious; yet he prohibited any Christian from keeping a school or public seminary of learning, and deprived all the Christian clergy of the privileges granted them by Constantine the Great.

Biship Basil made himself first famous by his opposition to Arianism, which brought upon him the vengeance of the Arian bishop of Constantinople; he equally opposed paganism. The emperor's agents in vain tampered with Basil by means of promises, threats, and racks, he was firm in the faith, and remained in prison to undergo some other sufferings, when the emperor came accidentally to Ancyra. Julian determined to examine Basil himself, when that holy man being brought before him, the emperor did every thing in his power to dissuade him from persevering in the faith. Basil not only continued as firm as ever, but, with a prophetic spirit foretold the death of the emperor, and that he should be tormented in the other life. Enraged at what he heard, Julian commanded that the body of Basil should be torn every day in seven different parts, until his skin and flesh were entirely mangled. This inhuman sentence was executed with rigor, and the martyr expired under its severities, on June 28, A.D. 362.

Donatus, bishop of Arezzo, and Hilarinus, a hermit, suffered about the same time; also Gordian, a Roman magistrate. Artemius, commander in chief of the Roman forces in Egypt, being a Christian, was deprived of his commission, then of his estate, and lastly of his head.

The persecution raged dreadfully about the latter end of the year 363; but, as many of the particulars have not been handed down to us, it is necessary to remark in general, that in Palestine many were burnt alive, others were dragged by their feet through the streets naked until they expired; some were scalded to death, many stoned, and great numbers had their brains beaten out with clubs. In Alexandria, innumerable were the martyrs who suffered by the sword, burning, crucifixion and stoning. In Arethusa, several were ripped open, and corn being put into their bellies, swine were brought to feed therein, which, in devouring the grain, likewise devoured the entrails of the martyrs, and in Thrace, Emilianus was burnt at a stake; and Domitius murdered in a cave, whither he had fled for refuge.

The emperor, Julian the apostate, died of a wound which he received in his Persian expedition, A.D. 363, and even while expiring, uttered the most horrid blasphemies. He was succeeded by Jovian, who restored peace to the Church.

After the decease of Jovian, Valentinian succeeded to the empire, and associated to himself Valens, who had the command in the east, and was an Arian and of an unrelenting and persecuting disposition.


A section of Foxe's Book of Martyrs.



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  Quote vulkan02 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13-Oct-2006 at 22:38
Julian was a visionary but i think he wanted to accomplish too much too soon.
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  Quote gcle2003 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13-Oct-2006 at 09:47
Gore Vidal's novel Julian is excellent.
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  Quote Constantine XI Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13-Oct-2006 at 04:37
Originally posted by Timotheus

Originally posted by Constantine XI

BTW, I rather like Julian the Apostate, he was a good deal more inspired than most of the Emperors of his age.


Inspired to murder! Angry


He personally was not responsible for murders on the scale of most other Emperors who killed off relatives and fellow courtiers. His persecutions of Christianity were also mild compared to the persecutions the Christian Emperors dished out to the pagan (and to other Christians who so much as dared disagree over triflingly minor matters of faith). Overall he was a hard working and capable man who did his best for his nations and probably would have achieved great things had he only reigned longer.
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  Quote Timotheus Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13-Oct-2006 at 00:13
Originally posted by Constantine XI

BTW, I rather like Julian the Apostate, he was a good deal more inspired than most of the Emperors of his age.


Inspired to murder! Angry
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  Quote Chilbudios Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12-Oct-2006 at 16:50
The wallachian ruler Radu Praznaglava (1421, 1423, 1424 - 1426, 1427)

Prazna glava
means "Empty head"(in bulgarian).
Actually the usual translation is Radu the Bald
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The wallachian ruler Radu Praznaglava (1421, 1423, 1424 - 1426, 1427)

Prazna glava
means "Empty head"(in bulgarian).
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  Quote Brainstorm Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12-Oct-2006 at 09:54
Originally posted by Constantine XI

Originally posted by Brainstorm

Originally posted by Constantine XI

Let's not forget Byzantine
Emperor Michael the Sot (the 3rd), earning his nickname through
extravegant debauchery and drinking.

BTW, I rather like Julian the Apostate, he was a good deal more inspired than most of the Emperors of his age.



Both of them called so,by their enemies and their puppet-historians.
Julian by christian historians,
and Michael by those of the new Macedonian dynasty-iconophils.
Its surprising how some capable and good emperors where treated by byzantine historians.

For example those of the "Isaurian" dyansty.
Leo III and his son Constantine,won some brilliant battles,actually
saving the empire by Saracens and Bulgarians, but they were called
"isaurians"-a tribe of southeastern asia minor ,although its probable
that they were from Byzantine Syria.
Isaurians had a really bad reputation as a tribe of thiefs and
murderers ,so these bad iconoclast emperors deserved this nickname!



    


I think Michael probably did earn his nickname through his behaviour.
He was an iconodule himself and the son of the arch-iconodule the
Empress Theodora. Besides, the Emperor Leo VI was thought to perhaps
have harboured loyalty to Michael through the possibility of being his
son.

The Isaurians were indeed a bunch with a bad reputation, earnt in the
5th century when these ruly warriors were used to replace the German
foederati. Though it was not unsual to name dynasties after their place
of origin and to do so in a mistaken fashion. The Amorium dynasty was,
whilst the Macedonian dynasty was also (and wrongly named at that).

That got me thinking, how about Alexius V Murtzuphlus, Murtzuphlus
meaning "bushy eyebrowed" or something like that. Where his nickname
came from is rather obvious.

You are right MIchael was iconophil/dule   ,but the historians of the Macedonian dynasty really destroyed his reputation,in order to "purify" his asassination by Basil I,the founder of the macedonian dynasty.
(The story is really old-take a look at "bad Saul" ,who was trying to kill "poor David" ..bad poor David,just asassinate the legal king and took his place

      
As for the Isaurians,i ve written that they were named so,although probably Syrians.
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  Quote Constantine XI Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12-Oct-2006 at 09:40
Originally posted by Brainstorm

Originally posted by Constantine XI

Let's not forget Byzantine Emperor Michael the Sot (the 3rd), earning his nickname through extravegant debauchery and drinking.

BTW, I rather like Julian the Apostate, he was a good deal more inspired than most of the Emperors of his age.



Both of them called so,by their enemies and their puppet-historians.
Julian by christian historians,
and Michael by those of the new Macedonian dynasty-iconophils.
Its surprising how some capable and good emperors where treated by byzantine historians.

For example those of the "Isaurian" dyansty.
Leo III and his son Constantine,won some brilliant battles,actually saving the empire by Saracens and Bulgarians, but they were called "isaurians"-a tribe of southeastern asia minor ,although its probable that they were from Byzantine Syria.
Isaurians had a really bad reputation as a tribe of thiefs and murderers ,so these bad iconoclast emperors deserved this nickname!



    


I think Michael probably did earn his nickname through his behaviour. He was an iconodule himself and the son of the arch-iconodule the Empress Theodora. Besides, the Emperor Leo VI was thought to perhaps have harboured loyalty to Michael through the possibility of being his son.

The Isaurians were indeed a bunch with a bad reputation, earnt in the 5th century when these ruly warriors were used to replace the German foederati. Though it was not unsual to name dynasties after their place of origin and to do so in a mistaken fashion. The Amorium dynasty was, whilst the Macedonian dynasty was also (and wrongly named at that).

That got me thinking, how about Alexius V Murtzuphlus, Murtzuphlus meaning "bushy eyebrowed" or something like that. Where his nickname came from is rather obvious.
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  Quote Brainstorm Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12-Oct-2006 at 08:28
Originally posted by Constantine XI

Let's not forget Byzantine Emperor Michael the Sot (the 3rd), earning his nickname through extravegant debauchery and drinking.

BTW, I rather like Julian the Apostate, he was a good deal more inspired than most of the Emperors of his age.



Both of them called so,by their enemies and their puppet-historians.
Julian by christian historians,
and Michael by those of the new Macedonian dynasty-iconophils.
Its surprising how some capable and good emperors where treated by byzantine historians.

For example those of the "Isaurian" dyansty.
Leo III and his son Constantine,won some brilliant battles,actually saving the empire by Saracens and Bulgarians, but they were called "isaurians"-a tribe of southeastern asia minor ,although its probable that they were from Byzantine Syria.
Isaurians had a really bad reputation as a tribe of thiefs and murderers ,so these bad iconoclast emperors deserved this nickname!



    
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Let's not forget Byzantine Emperor Michael the Sot (the 3rd), earning his nickname through extravegant debauchery and drinking.

BTW, I rather like Julian the Apostate, he was a good deal more inspired than most of the Emperors of his age.
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Bigus Dickus.
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  Quote Aelfgifu Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12-Oct-2006 at 04:47
I dont think Ethelred the Unready was such a bad king, he just had a LOT of bad luck... If he would have been a really bad king, he would not have reigned that long. The name comes from Old-English, and apparently 'Unprepared' would have been a better translation, and was given because he became king at such a young age.
Or perhaps he was a bad king...
 

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  Quote Timotheus Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12-Oct-2006 at 00:04
Ethelred the Unready was undoubtedly one of the most incompetent kings ever, and Julian the Apostate undoubtedly one of the most evil.
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