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    Posted: 20-Jan-2009 at 18:08

Thanks god that there is a Jewish state in the Middle East, otherwise God knows what would happen in this region under the absolute rule of Muslims! Confused
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Originally posted by Hebrewtext

Originally posted by gcle2003


The land was never ever called Israel by anyone. Part of it was for a short while. Even in the Jewish scriptures it was not called Israel.



I don't know if I should laugh or cry from that nonsense.


Maybe defeat that with proper academic effort?.. laughing or crying only confirms the statement.
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Originally posted by gcle2003

The land was never ever called Israel by anyone. Part of it was for a short while. Even  in the Jewish scriptures it was not called Israel.
 
 
I don't know if I should laugh or cry from that nonsense.


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Originally posted by Beylerbeyi

Yeah, let's expand our mental horizons by ridiculous comparisons. 

If it is not wrong, I replace "Isreal" [sic] with "Banana" and "Arab" with "Potato":
 
Creation of Banana.

Where would you create Banana and and why?

I would have put Banana in Malta. Hardly anyone else lives there and it would not have displaced any Potatos or enraged any Potato governments. The world, especially the mideast would have been a more peaceful place.


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Hello Cyrus
 
Here is the thing, the last time an Arab dynasty ruled over Iran, part of it actually, were the fully Persianfied Muzzaffarid 700 years ago. Before that the last vestiges of Arab rule ended about 400 years before that. Just as the Arabs came they went and THEY DIDN'T ethnically cleanse Persia of either its language or its people or even its religion (Zoroastrians were wiped out by the various "native" persian dynasties as well as mongols and lastly the Safavids).
 
By the way, Islam is a religion not an ethnicity, you can't put it anywhere, if people peacefully wanted to become muslims, like the majority of Arab tribes of Yemen, Najd, Bahrain and the levant, and they came and declared themselves muslims which is what happened in the year 9 AH (630-631 AD), I will not refuse them and will be glad to add them to my state.
 
Zionism is exactly the opposite of what I mentioned above.
 
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Yeah, let's expand our mental horizons by ridiculous comparisons. 

If it is not wrong, I replace "Isreal" [sic] with "Banana" and "Arab" with "Potato":
 
Creation of Banana.

Where would you create Banana and and why?

I would have put Banana in Malta. Hardly anyone else lives there and it would not have displaced any Potatos or enraged any Potato governments. The world, especially the mideast would have been a more peaceful place.
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What is the question in this thread? "Where would you create Israel and and why?"
 
Please notice that you are talking about a country and people who live there, what are replies? for example:
 
Originally posted by maqsad

I would have put Israel in Malta. Hardly anyone else lives there and it would not have displaced any Arabs or enraged any Arab governments. The world, especially the mideast would have been a more peaceful place. 

 
If it is not wrong, I replace "Isreal" with "Islam" and "Arab" with "Persian" (Sassanid period):
 
Creation of Islam.

Where would you create Islam and and why?

I would have put Islam in Malta. Hardly anyone else lives there and it would not have displaced any Persians or enraged any Persian governments. The world, especially the mideast would have been a more peaceful place.
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"The Levant" is a good compromise
No it is not. Palestine is Palestine. Calling it by any other name legitimises Zionist colonisation and ethnic cleansing.
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Originally posted by gcle2003

An alternative to Palestine might be Canaan, I'm not clear on that, but 'Palestine' has the advantage of actually referring to more or less the same area. Granted it's only 2,000 or so years old, but it is ar least accurate.

"The Levant" is a good compromise, and has a long history in English usage as well. It's a little less precise than Canaan or Palestine, though - Jordan, Syria, and Lebanon fall into the scope of the term. But I use it sometimes anyway, as a neutral term for Palestine.
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dont worry cyrus   when Israeli air force kill iranian civilians they will be called Heros
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Originally posted by Vorian


 
When Israelites kill civilians, they call it Error but when Palestians do it, not only themselves but other Muslims call it Honor.
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Originally posted by Hebrewtext

the Samaritan community of Nablus was evicted recently to a settelment near mt. Grizim and are under the protection of the Israeli army ,like other Jewish settelments.
 
As a matter of fact rather than rhetoric, in approximately 1963 I tried to get our Israeli stringer to take a photographer and do a story about the Samaritans. He pointed out that he couldn't because it was over the then sealed border between Israel and Jordan[1]. So I had instead to find a photographer and a writer to go up there from Amman.
 
Whatever the situation recently, historically the Samaritans did not live in Israel.
 
[1] At that time the West Bank was still annexed to Jordan.
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Originally posted by Hebrewtext

 
the land is called Israel for the past 3500 years ,"Palestine" is a newer term.
The land was never ever called Israel by anyone. Part of it was for a short while. Even  in the Jewish scriptures it was not called Israel.
 
An alternative to Palestine might be Canaan, I'm not clear on that, but 'Palestine' has the advantage of actually referring to more or less the same area. Granted it's only 2,000 or so years old, but it is ar least accurate.
how can you call the 3000 years natives "palestinians" ,this is Inventing pseudo-historical theories and only recently.
Because they live in Palestine. Palestine is the English name for the area, has been so for at least as long as modern English has existed, and the language we're supposed to talk here is English.
 
individuals can't claim for the right of self determination, even after living there for centuries.
Of course they can. What they have to recognise though is the rule of law and the need for the majority to prevail, given certain constraints.
by this logic most of the planet should be  Jewish state.
Nonsense. Only in Israel do Jews have a majority of any area.
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Originally posted by Omar al Hashim

Yeah of course it's easy to kill a priest with an axe by mistake, it happens to me all the time


 
thats one case from 1979 done by a lunatic, and even if there were more cases like that.
 
there are thousends of antisemitic events and attacks against Jews each year around the globe.
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Originally posted by Hebrewtext

come on.....
 
you wan't to hear how many Jewish settelers got shot by IDF by mistake ?
you wan't to hear how many IDF personal got shot by friendly fire ?
 
in such complicated and violante surrounding mistakes happen.
 
with a population of hundreds every life is that much more crucial for them, times out that death by a multiple of the Israeli population to see the effect. But the point was;
  • Samaritans are not simply a type of Jew
  • ..are in danger of IDF-Settlement activity
  • don't want to take sides
  • can live amongst Palestinians in peace
  • ...and again while they exist; they render Zionist claims to the area, a non-unique - special historical right, or without precedence.
the other story was to remind the readers that Palestinian society was one where all religions had lived together. Christians have also been victims to Israel aggression, like the samaritans, purely because they live on the wrong side of the settlement wall.

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Yeah of course it's easy to kill a priest with an axe by mistake, it happens to me all the time
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when a Palestinian state would erect and all (or most) settelments will dismental ,probably they also will join the larger community near Tel Aviv .
 


Why are they building new ones and increasingly expanding existing ones?
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The difference between IDF "mistakes" and the mistakes of other armies, most armies, is those armies at least investigate and give an apology or even send people to trial and then to prison, tell me Hebrew, when was the last time there was a trial for any of the IDF member? Remember Rachel Corrie who was bulldozed in front of journalists from all over the world?
 
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Originally posted by Hebrewtext

come on.....
 
you wan't to hear how many Jewish settelers got shot by IDF by mistake ?
you wan't to hear how many IDF personal got shot by friendly fire ?
 
in such complicated and violante surrounding mistakes happen.
 


Yeah of course it's easy to kill a priest with an axe by mistake, it happens to me all the time


Edited by Vorian - 18-Jan-2009 at 17:13
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