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    Posted: 16-Jun-2006 at 15:47
BEK>BEG>BEGH> and finally BEY(landlord, lord, landowner, folk's owner, possessor) is a very old Turkish title . It is akin to Mongolian Baaigaan( Able and capable man, powerful male, Rich , Wealthy). It is too difficult that a word from Persian comes first into Turkish and than later from Turkish to Mongolian. If it was true, the mongolian loan word should have reflected the Turkish sound system BEG . But Mongolian word is Baaigaan. There is no direct contact so it is impossible. BAAIGAAN( some other versions  are Baagaan or baaiaan)or BEG is Altaic, most probably. May be Iranic Baga and  Altaic Beg or Baaigaan have diffrent roots but close meanings. Not possible?

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  Quote Bulldog Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16-Jun-2006 at 07:59
Are you sure its not the other way round, that it entered Iranian? If Baga is used in Mongollia its likely the word is Altaic.
 
If it means Strong man its more likely to be Baga, because as you said the similar word means God in Iranian.


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  Quote aeon Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16-Jun-2006 at 07:10

The word came into Turkic from Iranian, it is related to Iranian bhaga, god. Cf. Baghdad, god-given in Iranian. The Turkic title beg has the same origin.

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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28-May-2006 at 11:18

Bagator word  came Trkish origin?  Trkish and Mongolian "Baga" means young and strong man,hero ,  "Tur" means is Trkish castle, (in old Trkish)

Bagatur word, by and by, change, and it means only "Hero" and enter a lot of languages,

İn Farsi, "Bahadur "(in Farsi  Kahraman), Mongolian "Baator" , İn Russian "Matur" it be ,good, beautiful, İn Maygar "Baatur" (Btur, with mark a,maybe false, long a)

This knowledge is true? And in Maygar language "Tur" means today; a man who is important person, is it true?
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